A pair of 500kg bombs on a high speed fairly maneuverable heavy fighter is extremely overpowered and I don’t understand why Darkflow continues to hold the hand of wehraboo CAS shitters.
Soviets get their only good CAS at the end of the campaign
Americans get their only good CAS at the end of the campaign
Germans have theirs from the get go with it only getting more and more powerful
Nevermind the IL-2 in Moscow getting its bombload nerfed to give it complete trash RBS rockets while the Stuka was giving two pairs of 50kg bombs in addition to the original 250kg bomb
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RBS rockets should be replaced with RS rockets, full stop. The Stuka being a starter plane and absolutely STOMPING the enemy competition is quite ridiculous.
+10 to this, brother.
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yeah, I’m amazed that German pilots get nukes and still manage to kamikaze into a field 200m away from the nearest Russian
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The german combat ideology they followed was Blitzkrieg, if we are to stay true to history, then it is expected for germans to have more or less overwhelming air support, because for all intents and purposes, the luftwaffe was overwhelming in terms of CAS, another problem is that russian CAS is questionable at best historically.
We can start with the IL-2, the plane itself was designed to be a heavily armored ground attacker, it’s DM should be changed to withstand infantry rounds, you’re really not shooting that thing down with generic 9mm rounds considering armor plates replaced the frame and paneling through most of the nacelle and fuselage, and it also had a pretty great hull made out of riveted homogeneous steel armor, unfortunately the downside to this is that the plane was very heavy and slow.
It wasn’t a very good ground attacker either, in the best situation, it could take 4 132mm rockets and 6 100kg bombs, the plane carrying a full bombload would mean that the plane would fly like an actual rock, even worse than it flies currently, that is not a normal bombload, that is the absolute maximum, which was very rare to be used for all nations.
The SB-2M is yet another problem, the plane either carried 6 100kgs, 6 50kgs, or 2 250kgs. In-game it has 6 100kg, so that’s in line with reality, though we should get an option down the line to customize bomb-load which I think it’s been said we will have. An alternative bomber is the Petlyakov Pe-2 for Moscow which carries up to 6 100kg bombs, which is the same as what we have now. There aren’t really any good options for Moscow, at the time the USSR had terrible CAS with largely small bomb loads, germany had better CAS in every way.
For Berlin when it eventually comes out, russians could get the Tupolev Tu-2 which had a normal bomb load of 1000kgs, and as far as I’m aware, it carried either 2 500kgs, or 4 250kgs.
For Americans over in Normandy, not sure what the A-20 havoc carries, but it’s normal bombload is about 640kgs, so if that’s what it carries or extremely close to it, that’s accurate.
For the P-38 Lightning and the P-51 mustang, I can’t find any documents proving they normally carried large bombs outside of special circumstances for either of them. If you have any, by all means, post them here so they can be forwarded to the devs, verified and changes can be made accordingly. Just because a plane could carry something, doesn’t mean it actually used it under normal circumstances, going down that road is a short path to paper technology and wunderwaffe projects.
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Germany didn’t even have a CAS aircraft until the Hs 129, and the only reason Germany used the Ju 87 as a stopgap was because their outdated artillery couldn’t keep up with the rest of the army and they needed something for fire support.
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Why do some of you always think of dedicated ground attack aircraft when you think about CAS?
Hs 129 is a dedicated ground attacker, it’s dedicated CAS, all of german planes were designed in a way that allowed them to carry large bomb loads, and the majority of them did so. According to historical records, it was quite normal for BF 109s to carry anywhere from 250kg to 500kg(later models) bombs mounted under the fuselage.
German CAS was practically the entire luftwaffe. Not just one or two planes dedicated for it.
The RBS rocket is the only reason it has any anti-tank capability at all - RS rockets would be just like more small bombs.
What’s more the RS carried a smaller bursting charge than the RBS - .4kg vs .48 - so arguably would be worse vs infantry too (see WW2 Equipment Data: Soviet Explosive Ordnance - Rockets)
The Stuka is not he starter plane - that is the Hs-123.
Im pretty sure thats no excuse for really unfun gameplay, you.
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Fun is subjective so that’s not really an argument.
Ironic when you told me the Jug and P-38 weren’t used for ground attack previously.
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Really I’ve gotten more tank kills with the 50s than with the RBS. I can kill individual crew members with the RBS but it’s pretty poor.
Then remove German air from Normandy entirely lmao
One, what the hell is a “Jug?”
Two, P-38 is a Fighter, if you have evidence that it was indeed used as a ground attacker, you’re welcome to post it there. It could carry bombs, if it did however, I haven’t found anything to confirm either.
Quick edit: Don’t compare german doctrine with US doctrine, they are two very separate things.
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the only tank kills I can recall are from RBS82’s - but only a handful of them since they arrived on Il-2s… none at all from 50kg.
Got a couple with 100kg from SB2 in the last week - but they are pretty useless due can’t divebomb if you want to survive… maybe that’s the answer - don’t put so much truck on survival!
the fact it had bazookas mounted on it that serve no other purpose?
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The P-47 Thunderbolt
Also the P-38 was used very often for ground attack and you can just ctrl+f “ground attack” on the wiki page.
But by all means go on
You’re right, while the US “chose” to put bombs and rockets on planes that could carry them and use them effectively the Luftwaffe was forced to because they were getting their wig split on all fronts.
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What the devs gave it ingame, and what it carried historically are two separate things. It’s entirely possible that the plane in it’s normal combat loadout did in fact carry bombs and rockets, it’s also possible it didn’t carry either. Which is why if people are going to suggest that the P38 receive a bomb loadout, it should be backed up by actual documents stating it carried them seeing as the bomb loadouts we have in game so far, almost all of them fall under the normal bomb loadout.
Using a plane for ground attack is one thing. You can ground attack with the current rockets and get mixed results, sometimes wipe squads, delete a tank, other times achieve nothing due to low caliber rockets resulting in little splash. It is still ground attack.
Like I’ve said before, if you have actual data that the P-38 in it’s normal loadout, post it so it can be passed along to the devs.
Edit: The P-47 in it’s normal loadout didn’t carry bombs btw.
I got pretty good at tank busting with the starter German Plane, the biplane. But I would fly over the battlefield slowly looking for the muzzle flashes. And not just drop my bombs on the first approach.
Yeah no one is arguing it isn’t ground attack. Just that only one faction across multiple campaigns gets amazing ground attack options while the rest get utter dogshit in comparison. Don’t try to twist the initial argument.
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