German authenticity suggestions

Some of my favorite things about military history are the quirks that make the different nations or factions unique. That could be anything from uniforms to doctrines.

Germany has quite a bit. Perhaps more than any other military in history. I think that is partly responsible for why the Wehrmacht remains such a popular subject.

I have a couple suggestions for gameplay. And some for cosmetics.

First Gameplay: Running animations specific for Germany

If you watch German soldiers moving in period footage, you will notice the rifle is almost always carried with the right hand only, and held down at full arm’s length (known to modern hunters as the “trail carry”). This allows the rifleman to run easier and swing the left arm. It is also easier on the soldier, who carries the rifle for hours at a time

They were trained this way. It was part of their doctrine.

It can also serve as a gameplay mechanic. Just as in real life. You’ll be easier able to identify who that is in the distance.
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Here is a YouTube video showing it don’t in red orchestra 2
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8YHVKMrOCpw&feature=share

Would really give some flavor to the game. In games like these it’s the details that really matter to me.

2nd is German machine gunner animations:

A smaller detail. But I feel it’s needed. Germans almost always fired their machine guns with this grip. It’s just how they made their stocks. It’s an iconic look. Some games get it right. Others don’t

Next is customization and uniforms:

The uniforms in this game are interesting to me. They’re close. But just a bit off. Better than battlefield v. But something looks off on them. They look “flat”. Like they were modeled off HBT uniforms instead of wool. I think they need some work. They’re not bad models. Just have that uncanny feeling to them.

Next I’d like to talk about customization. I know the devs have said they’re working on it. I’d just like to make my suggestions.

We al know the German camo. Hopefully we can get it pretty accurate here. But I’d like to see a modular customization option. Where we can choose from a few helmet types. Bare steel, camo helmet cover, or painted camo helmet.
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Then mix and match tunic and trousers. Say we have a standard tunic with camo trousers, a camo tunic with standard trousers, a camo parka with standard trousers, etc.

And then choice of low boots or Jack boots as well.

I’d also like to see more equipment on your soldier. If you’re carrying a knife maybe we could have a few different options on where to place it. In your boot, or your chest etc. same with grenades

Don’t mind the SS stuff. Just using it as an example as I’m well aware it will not be included

This turned out to be much longer than I anticipated. But I’m really liking the game. I appreciate the effort that has went into the uniforms so far. Just need a bit of cleaning up and you’ll have it. Thanks for reading

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legit i’m experiencing some deja vu right now. I feel like quite awhile ago, someone suggesting this the same thing on this forum too.

also, no. i dont think this necessary only need to be available for German army. I mean, everyone can do that right?
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this one of the most famous one of US marine in Okinawa.

about the other sugesstion, it would be cool.
More detail is always good.

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i agree the uniforms look weird
same for many nations, especially outside of moscow campaign
i think in general all nations could use some work

Hmmm. Interesting. I just joined today to make this post.

But yeah you’re right that anyone can carry a weapon like that. But the point is the Germans were trained to carry like that. So you’d almost always see them with their weapon in the right hand. If it wasn’t slung over the shoulder it was in one hand.

hahahha i see, perhaps on other platform? especially Reddit?

yeah, people take “balance” in this forum very seriously, so the other side will be asking the same thing.

It very well may have been Reddit. I think I mentioned it there too. Was it a post or just a comment?

i think a post

+1
im curious tho, y is SS ignored/avoided so much? its not like other militaries had no SF units

Personally the SS doesn’t bother me. I see it all as just history. And the rune logo is pretty cool looking too. That and their camo. But i have no issues with their stuff being in the game. Most company’s won’t include them tho. But no one ever has an issue with the hammer and sickle.

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EXACTLY. i dont get the taboo about it. it strikes me like how swastikas are wholly verboten but iron crosses (which they used as medals) are perfectly fine. if it hasta do with them being cruel its not like the USSR was any less cruel, they murdered even more innocents there, and their emblem was for a possibly worse form of communism, but no one has a problem with that. sorry about the rant

Man this post is joke no?

Bla… Man… ANY Soldier of ALL Countries back then were running like this with their Rifles.
Why? Because its the easiest and most comfortable way to run with it. Its not a thing just for Germans.
Like explain how else will you run with a 5-12kg rifle in your hands? Hm?

Inaccurate. Its not standard to hold the MG 34 and 42 like that. See:

Some Germans were holding the belt up so it will feed in straight into the MG. Which was far more common in actual combat. The “holding” as shown in your image is what you do BRIEFLY before firing the MG. Same with the MG 3 at Bundeswehr, its to make sure that your shoulder and stock of the MG has no space to prevent injures and improve stability once you start to fire.

(clearly you just into images and stuff, not reading, not serving your country…)

Boah alter… The Iron Cross has nothing to do with Nazi Germany. It was invented by King Frederick the third of Prussia back in 1813. Along with Prussia came the tradition of the Army, the Officers Ethos (how to act and lead as Officer of the Army).

huh, didnt kno that. well then, i guess that was a bad and incorrect comparison. they did use them on medals tho

Because the Iron Cross medal is the highest reward a German Soldier could receive.
Within the Army its all about traditions of the units, of the troops, of the Army itself.

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What is youre issue? You’re trying to insult me for no reason.

My point is, Germans were TRAINED to carry their weapons like that. Is in drilled into their heads. Even walking you almost always see the weapon in their right hand. That isn’t the case with other countries. As far as I’m aware other countries were not TRAINED to do this.

In fact American troops popularized the “G.I. Carry” which you would rarely see Germans doing.

As far as the MG shooting here is an excerpt from a Manuel.

And you insult my use of war time images as an example but you use a few seconds of footage to try and discredit me? That’s ridiculous. Different circumstances weld different results. The fact of the matter is nearly every photo of German MG gunners is showing the grip I posted.

What the hell is your problem?

Could you share a link to the document about MG? Looks interesting.

https://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/german-infantry-weapons/mg34-machine-gun.html

This I believe was taken from a US military war time report.
I’m going to purchase the German Manuel now just to make sure I’m correct. But from what I’ve done I’m pretty sure I am.

And here is a good article about Germans carrying their weapons with one hand.

http://www.dererstezug.com/HandletheRifle.htm

I don’t appreciate the previous poster trying to insult me. I do research this stuff. I’m very passionate about it. I’m not an expert and don’t try to be. But I do read and try to learn as much as I can about it.

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Yawn.
Must be some english manual again, ah?
Anyone was carrying a rifle like that, at least in Europe. Watch some Soviet Army videos, you will see they carry the rifle like that because its the center part to balance it easiest.

It was night time the good old Continent, some people have a job during the day and dont wanna search the german books they own to take pictures for you.