Like Gaigin you didnt even try with the New Zealand 2nd Division 24th Battalion you gave us a weapon that was never used instead of weapons that were like Vickers K. You have our soldiers wearing their dress lemon squeezer in combat. I mean ffs… These guys here are kiwi soldiers, The one on the right having his hand shaken is Charles Upham(VCx2) . Kiwis in combat wore Helmets, Beenies, Beret or Garrison cap… Not their dress uniform!
Oh and that horrific weapon that didn’t even see combat that you have listed as a bloody FULL AUTO was a semi auto that used old Lee Matfords and pre ww1 LEs… I mean yea I know you want to give people new weapons… I mean holy cow did you just go on wiki and say hey look there’s this unique gun… I mean its as stupid and i wouldn’t put it past the developers giving us the Semple tank… FFS DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH…
We arent asking for historical accuracy down to the T… but come on Lemon Squeezers in combat? and the Charlton… Sweet mother of Maui. Its like you just spat on my great grandfathers grave.
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I’m not going to try to pick apart everything here for several reasons, but mostly because you’re not generally wrong and I’m not from New Zealand, but I have two points to make.
The NZ version of the Charlton was built on No 3 Lee-enfields, and was select fire with a foregrip and bipod, unlike the Australian version. Gun Jesus for reference on selector switch, at timestamp:
The lemon squeezer was a thing I’d never heard of, was entertained to learn that’s what y’all call a campaign cover. While it’s been a service dress item since 77, there’s no reason it couldn’t have been worn in combat in WW2 if a soldier preferred it for some reason, which isn’t an unreasonable proposition in the daytime in the african sun:
The hat was worn to a certain extent during World War II, although often replaced by more convenient forage caps or berets. After being in abeyance since 1960, the hat was reintroduced in 1977[10] for ceremonial dress, where it was usually worn with a version of the khaki “no 2” service dress of the British Army.
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The Charlton built from no3 Lee Enfields lulz. No they majority were built on No1s and Lee Matfords because they were suplus to requirement of the NZ army. I like gun jesus but having spoken with one of the directors of the NZ Army Military Musuem in Waioru on this issue that has one of the 3 surviving units. This is what he told us. That Charlton was only given old pre ww1 rifles to use for the conversion now perhaps the Aussie variant used MK3s but damn our country wouldnt waste those on a last ditch weapon. We didnt have the money or weapons to do that.
Also in the case of the lemon squeezer. You will not find one photo of NZ soldiers in Combat or on campaign. Its a damn awful bloody hat made for Calvary.
My Great Grandfathers Battalion the 28th Maori.
I mean i can show images after images of Kiwis in Tunisia none wearing a lemon squeezer.
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Ah, I screwed up the nomenclature. I’m used to american rifle/variant naming conventions, and there’s so many different Lee rifle designations that I can’t keep them straight. This is what I was trying to quote:
There were two versions of the Charlton: the New Zealand version, as designed and manufactured by Charlton Motor Workshops in Hastings, and a version produced in Australia by Electrolux, using the SMLE Mk III* for conversion.[4]
And I still got it wrong, Australia were the ones converting No.1 Mk III* rifles. Fair play here.
Fair enough. I didn’t mean to imply that it was common, but there’s no reason it couldn’t have happened, so while I see the problem I think you might be overstating it’s severity. Edit: It would have been cool to see the same kind of diversity of uniform from the in game squad as seen in those photos, though.
Careful here, we USMC vets cherish that campaign cover (we do, but I’m joking with you)
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All that aside, there are two problems I have with this implementation of the Charlton.
They’ve made it an LMG, when it was an automatic rifle that could do LMG work in a pinch, but wasn’t good at it.
And, Allies Tunisia definitely didn’t need more firepower, they’re already winning the vast majority of their matches to the point most Axis players jumped ship to Normandy.
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This is a Event squad, so they are not going to give a gun which they may want to add to the actual campaign pool, such as the Vickers K. They are going to give very niche prototype and home guard weapons as a collectable as this is the precedent set by the PPK 42 squad. As for the uniforms, I can’t comment much about that because I don’t know enough about Australian and New Zealand uniforms.
Yea with the hat thing, its just not right. It would be like haveing the USMC wearing Army Ranger Fatigues.
Lol I know the USMC has a thing about those hats. Ironically the NZ army has ditched the Lemon Squeezer to go back to the Slouch Hat which is more inline with our armies WW1 heritage.
Keeping tradition is always good. I’m honestly not sure why the USMC chose to give DIs the campaign cover in 1956, and I can’t find any solid data on when we stopped wearing them in combat after WWI, but I’m not gonna complain or a random knife hand will smite me from existence.
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I hear the Drill Instructors are always listening even when you discharge out… LOL
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They’re in the walls, man XD
Us Kiwis have been waiting an age for a game developer to remember that we were also in ww2… The first time we get in. The developers make us a funny squad with funny weapons and a messed up uniform. Infact of all the photos of my great grandfathers one who served in the 24th and the other in the 28th the only photos ive found of them wearing the Lemon Squeezer was leaving NZ and arriving in egypt. Both granfathers served from the NZ army first deployment in 1940 till the end of the war…
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Seems like me when I clip throught the bunkers when using the MG and end up in the world between worlds.
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Well, it seems you will have to wait a little bit longer. As I stated previously, this is an event squad, so they won’t give any standard issue guns. However, This is only one division of the battalion, so with a bit of luck, you might get another division which is more to your liking.
Oh damn, I’m so used to americans being over-represented in WW2 games it never occurred to me that NZ wasn’t represented. Here’s hoping they add some NZ squads to the campaign with new levels, and not just white guys yeah?
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tbh i dont care about it being a LMG as they’re bound to squad and can’t be transferred.
One thing that change with them being a LMG is they will get some bullet dispersion and you cant run and gun with them.
But for that, i first need to know how they perform ingame. Will it be worthy of LMG title or not. We don’t want another FG42 right?
90% of uniforms in game are totally wrong and German Falschirmjagers still have Wehrmacht skins. Soo NZ have much better skin than most of troops here tbh.
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I only care because it irritates the loud, angry gun nerd hanging out between my keyboard and chair, but you’re probably right, it’s a minor distinction that won’t make much difference.
They’ll get the increased dispersion, and probably recoil less than they should, yeah.
No, no we really don’t.
There are no Fallschirmjager units or soldiers in game at the moment.
But there are.
One premium and one in TT. And before you say something about that they are Mortar crews, they had to jump with troops as well and had a same uniform.
Only thing premium one has is a helmet, they still have wehrmacht uniforms.
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Oh shit, I was only checking squads that come with the FG42, good catch.
Still, I’d rather see independent parachute squads with a paratrooper class, with that class getting the FG42 and being limited to three per seven man squad (history says it was one FG42 per nine man Section.)
