Future tanks part 2

tchof_ · January 31, 2021, 7:40am

I decided to do part 2 regarding to this topic. As my last post didn’t have enough Evidence
I had to install warthunder after 6 months just to show you how good Panzer 3L actually is!!!
Scroll down to see the updated topic

Old topic:

There was this huge topic about medium and heavy tanks created some time ago. Players were constantly arguing about this thing and couldn’t make a compromise. Fortunately, me and some other players came to a conclusion, so hear me out:

In alpha test, we had a list of all confirmed tanks in Moscow. Apparently German tanks were much worse and can’t stand a chance against soviet medium and heavy tanks. Some players wanted these tanks out of the game and some thought outing them will ruin the game. Some wanted tanks from 1942 to be added and some thought it will ruin the realistic experience devs promised us. Now here is a solution for balance that will not have to remove anything from the game and isn’t unrealistic at all.

Panzer 3L
This tank was made in 1941 to counter soviet tanks, it saw battle in 1941 so adding it will be realistic. Panzer 3 is very similar to soviet t-34 tank. This tank has better frontal turret armour than 34 but worse side armour. It has a better gun than 34 against tanks but worse against infantry. Mobility is about the same as T-34, has more crew than t-34. Can outmatch T-34 and KV-1 at long range.
Panzer 4 (variants C to F1)
This tank has a small howitzer which reloads fast and is extremely deadly against infantry. It also has HEAT ammunition that is great against well armoured tanks. Could be used over the Pz3L when engaging mostly infantry
Tank limitations
Players can only bring a limited number of medium/heavy tanks in one match. Player will have ability to choose which tank he wants in the battle and not on the menu. For example: player can bring only one t34, KV or Panzer 3L. He can bring two T-28’s and Panzer 4’s and unlimited number of light tanks.
Anti-tank
Molotovs will be more deadly and we could see anti tank grenades too. Flak 88 will be a good stationary weapon for german defenders but it will take more time to build. Soviets will have no Flaks but they will get more molotovs which were effective against german armour.
Marder 3 and ZiS-30
Last but not least Im bringing you these 2. These tank destroyers will have very powerful guns but they are vulnerable to infantry and require skill to be mastered. And trust me, if you have skill with these tank destroyers, you can seriously effect the battlefield
That’s all!!
Feel free to write your opinions bellow. If you have suggestions for more cool vehicles and anti-tank weapons I might edit this and put your opinions as well

Updated Topic

As I mentioned above, I had to install warthunder just to show it to you guys (warthunder uses the same damage modells as enlisted)

This is KV1 vs Pz 3L. I used 100m as distance between targets because most tank engagements in Enlisted happen to be inside 100m.

TCatPlaysGamezYT once said how Panzer 3L cant do anything to an angled KV1, I say it definitely can.

Now for the second comparison. Here is Panzer 3L vs T-34. This tank has better frontal armour compared to KV-1 but weaker turret armour!!!

Now for the last 2 comparisons,
Now I’ll be shooting at the Panzer!!!

This is against KV 1 (which has weaker cannon than T-34)
From the front, its mostly 50% that it will penetrate (which is balanced because on KV, it was 100% on most places)

Panzer 3 has weak side armour but thats okay to me because this tank will have the strongest gun and turret armour in the game.

Now I’ll be shooting it from t-34’s gun which is stronger than KV’s gun

Tanks like Panzer 3L and KV-1/ t-34 will only be able to spawn once per match so the effectivness of other (weaker tanks) wont be damaged.

Player will choose his vehicle on the battlefield and not in the menu like now.

I know English speaking section is mostly german mains and they will again find a reason why to remove KV and T-34 from the game so I will translate this and post it on russian section because I believe people there play both nations equally like I do.

VictorvonMagnum · January 31, 2021, 8:05am

What about when you use the BR-350SP for the L-11?

tchof_ · January 31, 2021, 8:16am

You get t-34’s penetration but no explosive filler.
And to add that Panzer 3L will still be very good and also to add that devs don’t need to introduce
BR-350SP in Enlisted because all tanks in Enlisted use only one shell type. You are just trying to find more reasons for them to be removed

VictorvonMagnum · January 31, 2021, 8:21am

Why would asking a question about the BR-350SP lead to said tanks being removed?

tchof_ · January 31, 2021, 8:23am

Because BR-350SP has better penetration than BR-350A. If that shell makes Panzer 3L look less useful, than devs should not even add it.

Some of the tanks from Warthunder used different types of shells but we can’t use them in Enlisted.

So introducing KV-1 with only one shell type is fine

VictorvonMagnum · January 31, 2021, 8:37am

Introducing the T-34 and KV-1 is essential. This would be a fairly poor “historical realism” game if it ignored two very well known Soviet tanks entirely. It would be akin to ignoring the Tiger or Panther entirely.

WardenQ · January 31, 2021, 8:40am

Introduce KV 1 and kill the game more fast…seems legit

tchof_ · January 31, 2021, 10:35am

Oh, so you want KV 1 in this game?
Sorry for misunderstanding

No, BR-350SP is too much. It will be fine with BR-350A

tchof_ · January 31, 2021, 10:38am

I just showed you these pictures.
Not introducing legendary tanks from Moscow like t-34 or KV will upset a lot of players.

Imagine if all Soviet mains group up together and make a thread to remove tiger tank from berlin, would you like that?

zaynfs · January 31, 2021, 10:50am

If it is killing competition, then sure.

Or just nerf it. That way it is in the game but is not going to stomp over the other faction.

WardenQ · January 31, 2021, 11:25am

all those pics are from war thunder model and most of which is not implemented in enlisted or is it where is the proof? any devs or mods told you? …also don’t worry if they add kv I will just join russia like all players which will leave germans empty like the russians now then we can enjoy the pve matches we nowadays play unless the game finally dies …THE END

ErikaKalkbrenner · January 31, 2021, 1:09pm

ugh… enlisted use wt assets. that’s a fact. not a cospiracy.

although, i somewhat agree.

because basically everyone will leave once they use t-60s / pz II against Kvs or Panzer IV. leaving them no chance.

the problem is, people like @73507743 ( not only him ) is the fact that those people are just adding more futile levels for an already long campaign without thinking for the lower people.

like, who ever is gonna use pazer III E, b, and pz II how the hell are they supposed to counter those.

and as i said, those tank should be used for leningrad siege? maybe battle of stalingrad? but no where in moscow as the current tank does not allows that.

TheCatequil · January 31, 2021, 1:40pm

This still does not remove the issue of making literally ALL other tanks obselete.
I have yet to find data that anything more modern than a Pz3H was ever used in Moscow, either, which would have the same gun as the F, and can not penetrate the KV1 outside of 100m, which would be a pretty common engagement range in Enlisted especially once maps become bigger. It also would not have the add-on armor required to protect itself against the KV-1/T-34 guns.

The 3J/L/M were only introduced during the late months of 1941, into early 1942, but were not deployed in large numbers until the battle of kursk, after which the tank got basically decomissioned and relegated to training roles.