Future of Pacific war campaign

Imo its nice topic to discuss
im quite interested in vehicles and … i was just thinkin that once M8 nukes and HVAR rockets with bazookas appear, tanks like ka-chi , ha-go, ke-ni will become instant history

not to mention a bunch of full auto weapons from normandy that is about to come later

im curious what yo thinkin

while japan is nice new faction, i find it woefully under equipped. after few weeks of people playing it cause new faction/campaign, i think it will be just another allies stomping ground.

tanks are terrible (for japan) and seem like half finished product. specially those tanks that have MG but it is not linked with main gun.
planes (CAS) are worst out of any campaigns (specially with rearm point 3km away, planes having to takeoff and in general being slow ass planes with terrible payload)
and infantry equipment… allies just have overall better equipment.

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It is so much worse than HVARS.

Don’t get me wrong, I love my HVARS, but with them I’ll freely admit that the P47 in normandy is OP for CAS.

If they stick to carrier-born aircraft in the pacific, I think we’re likely to see either the F6F Hellcat or the F4U-4 Corsair. The Hellcat can carry 6 HVARS, or 2x Tiny Tims. Or 2x 1000lb bombs and 6x 100lb bombs. The Corsair can have 8 HVARS, same as P47, and/or 4000lbs of bombs.

That’s because Japan IRL was woefully underequipped.

Their tanks weren’t good, where they could even deploy them

This was intentional, since people love to moan about CAS spam

IRL, yes absolutely. In game? It’s honestly a wash. Between differences in sights, rate of fire, magazine capacity, hit power etc, I feel like the campaign is pretty well balanced unless you pick specific situations and ignore the overall whole.

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I really want to like the Pacific, atm, apart from Flying in it, I don’t care for it all that much.

Tunisia is still atm my Favorite campaign.

I don’t care for the others largely because I find the maps to small, and overly cluttered for vehicles, much like the Pacific maps.

I like flying the Moscow and occasionally the Stalingrad maps though.

I fear there going to try and cram the whole war into the Campagne of the “Pacific”, and that just sounds like an awful thing to do given the problems were already having with kit balance, it would only get worse.

I think I can see myself Not Playing the Pacific at all, and that’s what I hope will not happen.

i am not arguing that… just that it could have maybe be somehow better balanced cause this is game and not real world.

i am not just talking about tanks. i am talking about their implementation where they dont have coax MG (and one existed), or where MG and turret arent linked (like ha-go). while they could have been playable, their ingame implementation makes them even worse than IRL.

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Alright, I agree on the Ha-Go, the hull gun should be firable without switching to the hull gunner. But which japanese tank, in game, was equipped with a coaxial machinegun and it’s not functional in the game?

It’s about as balanced as it can be, given the equipment available to Japan, if they want to keep what’s left of their claim to historical accuracy. I think 6.5 Arisaka needs a buff, it’s damage is nonsensically low for what it is, but the campaign isn’t terribly imbalanced.

I think it’s a common point of view that the Japanese were underequipped, but I don’t really see it that way.

They were about as well equipped on a unit-by-unit bases as any British rifle section was, or an early War USMC rifle section was.

Many nations Units used a rifle for there primary Arm for most of the war, and you still needed to aim an M1 garand.

There Squad support weapon’s were actual LMG’s not the BAR, which was not really a LMG.

They had the adnation of there 50 mm Knee mortar as well and that enabled them to bring indirect fire support rapidly and at very close range to any fight, something the Americans could not do, and they used it to great effect.

Japanese section size was typically 18-20 men, as apposed to the US 12’ish men, this in part because the 50 mm mortars were doled out to the individual rifle sections for support effectively increasing there size.

But many of these advantages are not able to be represented in game like this, all mortars work the same way for example in game.

SMG’s while not widely available to the Japanese, were not widely available to most US sections either, most US rifle Squads did not have a SMG at all, in fact most were just all M1 garands, one or two M1 carbines and a BAR, and No side arms…

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It’s going to be dead in a month of they don’t iron out half of the shit in the campaign like cap size, cap time, ticket numbers, weapon balance, bots shooting through foliage, armour penetration and melee well frankly everything about melee

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I think, basically… all that is why I prefer flying in the pacific :slight_smile:

this could be my mistake, i know that people were complaining about not modelling some tank MG in pacific, but could have been hull MG. maybe even ha-go cause it had 2 MG (idk how it is implemented now, think with 1 MG, dont want to open game)

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Most of the Tanks in the entire game have some MG on them that is not modeled, and the ones that that have enabled, most often the coaxial one’s are severely Neutered by havening silly reload times and artificial overheating.

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Fair enough, I have to have the thing open to remember half this shit most of the time XD.

The Ha-Go has 2 MGs, but only one is modeled and it’s not very useable. The other is in the turret, but not coax, so if they made it functional, you couldn’t quickly switch between it and the main gun.

It’s a bad situation for japanese armor, but that was always going to be the case at the early levels. It’ll get better when they add later armor, unless you’re in a Ha-Go trying to fight the Sherman (or in normandy, in a Stuart trying to fight a Panther, or in Berlin in a PZ3 trying to fight a KV-1, or Moscow in a Pz2 trying to fight T-34.) I get the frustration, I do, but the stats don’t bear and argument that the US has an in-game overwhelming mechanical advantage over Japan. There’s too many variables, like gametype, map, player population on each team, player level on each team, player skill, the list goes on.

this could have been much better balanced with equipment. ffs when you unlock garand, on japanese side its counterpart is type 99 (late) BA which is sidegrade to other BA, while garand is SA and pure upgrade over m1 carbine.
look at this post that has better pacific balance than current implementation although i wouldnt agree with all choices.

I agree with this, won’t argue it

it’s not a sidegrade, the type 99 is just worse

That’s because the M1 in this game is actual shit, as you’ve said, because of it’s low damage and artificially low RoF.

@Upolaf my french friend have something to say

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Well the Hei SA rifle is an upgrade to BA imho

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regarding planes in my opinion the need for take off or ability to land/repair is cool addition, i dont care whether its useful, i know its comfortable for people to just appear in the sky throw bombs
few times and then die or bail out but now not everyone has do this like that… it would help aviation much greatly if we had more squad slots for free in the beginning, choice of payload should be finally a thing, besides the japanese had zero with skis that had frontal MG cannons, so
now from begining you have plane with bombs but not cannons … some decisions here are weird

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and totally irrelevant for topic at hand. allies get better equipment (upgrades), while japanese either get sidegrades (with otsu) or downgrades (with type 99).

yes it is cool, but it nerfs planes overall. like many other decisions on pacific. i can say that planes are totally irrelevant for pacific. i would rather have that player on ground with infantry rather than limited air support he can give. you can just take cap point in time between bombing runs.
best way to utilize the plane is for attacker to clear cap with suicide bombing run, then respawn with infantry and cap.

The performance of tanks in the Pacific campaign was not good. I was more worried about HVAR than the M8. Its scope was a little too large. When I drove the P47 in Normandy, I was always shocked by its terrible destructive power

At present, the Pacific campaign is only the Battle of Guadalcanal in 1942. I don’t know whether they will choose to continue to extend the era backward in this campaign