Fix the reasons people desert or stop worrying about desertions

obviously not, but highlights rather well how desertion penalty is quite unjust.

Since the entire penalty was made due to certain people thinking they lost because theyr team left OR stacks being butthurt no one wants to waste time on unfair game.

Yet these unfair games remains, stacks dont have to wait in que untill they get another stack against them.
No sbmm, no nothing.
Also no proper map selection ( regardless this isnt a balance issue )

So in summary, theres penalty for people that leaves but every reason for leaving still exist.

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The only 2 reasons I ever desert:

  1. The game puts me into Low BR Berlin with biplanes over Reichstag
  2. The game puts me into High BR Stalingrad/Rzhev with Panthers near Univermag
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Perfectly fine suggestion, except point 3.

Considering how bad the connection can be at times, this is a terrible idea, and it really needs to stop going about, your not the first Ive seen push it.

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This completely, we need to give out the carrot and stop abusing the stick.

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I would have said “mopping the floor rather than plugging the leak”, to be a bit more elegant.

A ranking system based entierly on how well your games go rather than how well you are doing in it is certainly a head scratcher. People get medals and promotions even after losing battles, because their individual actions were still meritorious. The game should take som inspiration from when designing a new system.

Agreed. What’s the point? It’s innaccurate, and easily fooled and has no bearing on anything else inside the game, just remove it.

Agreed. Leaving means you don’t care about the game, then you should in turn get nothing from it. Fair’s fair.

Agreed, that or making sure the ammount of stacks are balanced on both teams. I should not have to feel the need to queue up in groups just to get a fair shot in the game, nor should I get to stomp those unfortunate souls that got matched against me trying to avoid the exact same problem.

Solo play should be fair and balanced, and so should playing in teams be.

Treat the cause, not the symptoms, a leasson many need to learn.


Overall, I’m just happy that people like you and @CaptainBeel are actually interested in solving the problems of the game, rather than punishing people not wanting to put up with them. I’m not even a serial deserter, I can count the games I’ve left out of frustration on one hand, but you’d have to be very ignorant to say that there aren’t real and valid grievances with the game in it’s current state, be that horrible gamemodes, poor matchmaking, or wierd rank/win seekers, and those things deserve to be addressed.

I guess I’d make that the difference between hitting the “desert” button and loosing connection?

Now, it’s entierly fair to point out that some people would be removing their ethernet cable as a workaround in this case, but lets be honest, if someone is dedicated enough to think of it then go through the fuss of removing it then putting it back again after a few moments… well the game itself has some issues if you feel like that fuss is worth it…

Incentives to continue playing is universaly better than penalties for not playing, one thing both brings people back and makes them less likely to leave in the first place, the other is just a indescriminate slap in the face.

What penalties have done for decreasing desertions, have instead been moved over to people AFKing instead. WOnderful change, one that no one could have predicted, absolutely genius. Almost like treating the symptoms doesn’t actually solve anything. :thinking:

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I mean serial deserters will do that, Its also the fact I dont trust gaijin to make a suitable system to detect that.

I mean I know for my setup, I can remove the ethernet cable with my foot and plug it back in, very easily at that.

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Oh yes, I’m not denying that they won’t.

Just pointing out that if someone feels the need to do that, I think the game has on some level failed. I guess my setup is a bit wonkier that some, I need at least three fingers to jank my cable, it has a catch I need to loosen first, but I should not assume it’s as much of a fuss for everyone, fair.

I mean just make leaving an instant Loss for statistics. People who need to leave for irl things wont mind because they have lives, and it will deter the serial deserters.

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Still relevant, so I’ll post the melting pot of usual answers from pro desertion players:

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:rofl: Elegant? A term I have never heard applied to me, so I guess I have to stick with plugging the leak. :rofl:

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→ Don’t see a sense why. Most players even with marshal rang are not good (average or below) and it doesn’t say how good a player is - only how active

→ No, they should let then one stay in the statistics.

→ deserting should count as loose, including loosing points for the military ranks

before all of this there should be MM. just played this match.


and it was totally waste of 20 minute, as they nonstop camped and rushed our spawn points, even with tanks and Paras. not the mention they constantly had raly points 25m away from obj which caused them nonstop denying us from capping, Im surprised how is this even possible. any sane person would desert probably. lol

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leonardo-dicaprio-clapping

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in order for a deserter punishment system to even start to be considered, the reconnection system must be pristine, assured to work 100% flawlessly, with no chance at all, 0%, of failing. simply no possibilty of fail in any case must be given a pass.

first, perfect reconnection. after, punishments for deserting. that is the logic order. we naturally had it the other way around, as expected: first do the punishing, then try to fix the reconnecting.

we are just used to put the cart in front of the horses, so to speak.

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Enlisted policy explained in a nutshell.

Give me actual map bans not soft removals that doesn’t do much most of the time i’m still forced to play awful Pacific and Stalingrad maps.

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The ONLY way I have actually achieved true preferred map and game mode choice is by playing my own custom matches.

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It’s oldschool way of gaming with actual server browser and not this garbage matchmaking that came out from consoles to ruin our fun and freedom of choice

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