It would be a nice addition since pz. IVs apparently have it and it would make combat more balanced as for the sherman Jumbo it should stay with plain AP but armor should be more consistent (pz. IV H shouldn’t be able to penetrate angled jumbo)
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So let me see if I’m reading this correctly you want even more HE splash damage for the sherman or add HEAT shells and then get rid of the HE for the sherman jumbo
i don’t think they are using APHE shells and just solid shots, talking about almost all american tanks outside of m8, though that isn’t much of an issue since pumas are the most common german tanks for normandy. also if the jumbo overangles or doesn’t hide the mg port then the panzer 4 should defeat the armor
No, they want the Sherman to have the M61 shell as the Sherman currently uses solid shot which is a lot worse than the Panzer 4’s which get APHE as their standard AP round
Pz IV H shouldn’t be able to penetrate unangled Jumbo. An angled Jumbo’s lower sides should be penetrated by a Pz IV H, if things are realistic.
And while I, personally, wish the Jumbo would be removed, that’s neither here nor there.
As to the M4A2, I agree that giving it M61 APHE rounds instead of M72 solid shot rounds would be a good change of pace, and accurate, as the m72 solid shot AP was already replaced in production in 1942 by the M61 round, and most of the Shermans at Normandy should have been given M61 as their primary armor piercing ammunition.
i agree with jumbo being removed and being replaced with 105 sherman
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I would like that it’s not really fun going 80+ And zero deaths
I wouldn’t replace the jumbo with the 105 sherman - the M8 Scott would be a better vehicle to replace by the howitzer sherman. Instead I’d suggest replacing the Jumbo with a 76mm Sherman - which while they did not participate in D-Day, was ready for the D-day invasion, and would be a better comparison vehicle to the Pz4H than a 105mm armed sherman. Alternatively, there’s also the M4A3 (75mm) HVSS, which while not available at the time, reached Europe before the Jumbo’s did, and would still be an upgrade over the M4A2, if not as much of one.
i personally believe the m4a2 is better than jumbo because of horsepower per ton and i don’t like being a scum
the scott is fine as it is just need to watch out for flamethrowers and don’t shoot at walls. but 76mm shermans would be a fine replacement if they can’t make the 105 sherman to work
How am I being a scum please explain
I see Scotts dying all the time as they are incredibly weak to infantry compared to it’s competition in the Panzer 3N, dying not only to flamethrowers and usual anti-armor tactics, but also just infantry that get close enough to shoot into it from windows or throwing regular grenades at it. The M4 with a 105mm gun is a far better equivalent in role to the 3N than the M8 Scott is.
But yeah, I think anyone with a brain realizes the jumbo is a bad choice to add to normandy. I could /somewhat/ understand it if it were against a tiger 1 or Panther D at the top of the campaign tree or something, but even that is a balance concern, and it has no place being put up against a Pz IVH as a supposed equivalent.
never said you are, i just find it cheap to use the jumbo is all
i see, guess they most of changed it since i last use it
The Jumbo is not historically accurate and is objectively easier to use and get kills with than any other tank, thanks to being more or less immune to frontal fire. The reduction in mobility is not enough to balance that out, and the firepower is top tier for its nation, it matches that of the Sherman.
Using it is pretty much saying you need a crutch from the future to take out the German tanks.
I agree its not historically accurate, it has less armour than it should have but thats for ballancing reasons (Pz. IV can penetrate it from the front in game) as for the speed its also historically accurate which is 35 km/h top with reasonably high acceleration. “…and firepower is top tier for its nation, it matches that of the sherman” The tank is called M4A3E2 SHERMAN nicknamed Jumbo and its 75 mm wasn’t bad with the right ammo type, both shermans in the game have the same cannon so the firepower stays the same and the only thing that changes is armor values. With that being said right now shermans use standard AP round that easly can be defeated by just angling your tank and even if there is a penetration there are no shrapnel that go with it so the only thing that gets damaged are things directly in front of shell (standard AP round was already replaced with APCBC-T with explosive filler by the time of landing in Normandy). I would be keen on replacing Jumbo but only if it follows normal rules of progression so lets say sherman M4A3 with 76.1 mm.
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Well I guess I’ll be an ass here and say it was a huge mistake to add it BUT since it’s in the game and I have already unlocked it I’ll continue using my hard earned tank till they get rid of it and be piece of rotten scum
No it does not?
The M4A3E2 is almost always referred to as the Jumbo. The non-jumbo variants are referred to as Shermans. Even while it is a Sherman, it is referred to as Jumbo.
… Just… Like I said?
It is a 76mm gun only by designation. Idk where you got the .1 from, but the gun actually is 75mm, and was only named 76mm for logistical reasons, to not confuse old (short) and new (long) 75mm shells.
Well in game its bug as hell a PZ IV can one shot my breach while angled
Jumbo has around 103 mm of armor on its front plate and since its angled it gives it ± 160 mm of protection, PZ IV strongest APCBC has 140 - 130mm of armor penetration at 100 m so it means that either Jumbo has less armor or PZ IV has too much pen.