Enlisted is historically authentic but not accurate

Since there seems to be confusion about concepts in here let us here break it down for further clarity.

Quick Summary

It is possible for something to be historically authentic and historically inaccurate at the same time. Enlisted might be historically inaccurate in several respects but still convey a sense of authenticity or realism.

But like in general, the acceptability of inaccuracies and anachronisms in Enlisted will depend on the expectations of the audience. Some people may be more forgiving than others.

If Enlisted aims to be historically accurate I would say they failed.

If Enlisted aims to be historically authentic I would say they succeeded.


First of all: what “historical authenticity” or “historical accuracy” actually means has been debated eternally and the answer will vary depending on a lot of different criteria.

Let’s stick to common sense here and understand these concepts in a way that is generally accepted by the majority.

So what’s the difference between historical authenticity and historical accuracy?

  • Historical authenticity refers to the degree to which a historical account, artifact, or event accurately reflects the historical period or context it is associated with.
    It involves a commitment to representing the past truthfully and avoiding anachronism.

Authenticity, from the Greek authentikos = reliable, trustworthy.

  • Historical accuracy refers to the degree to which something is factually correct or true to the historical record. It involves being correct in details, such as dates, names, and events. In other words, it is about being faithful to historical facts.

Accuracy, from Latin accuratus = prepared with care, exact, elaborate.

So what’s the difference?

Basically this: Historical authenticity is more soft-ish and about being faithful to the time period being portrayed and historical accuracy is more hardcore and about being faithful to the historical facts.

Think about a historical film about WWII - it can be historically authentic in terms of the props and setting, but not entirely historically accurate in terms of the events or persons depicted.

A historically authentic film would use accurate costumes, weapons, and tactics of the time period, while a historically accurate film would furthermore depict the actual events and people involved in the battle as accurately as possible.

So in other words: it is possible for something to be historically authentic and historically inaccurate at the same time. Enlisted might be historically inaccurate in several respects but still convey a sense of authenticity or realism.

However, even if it’s possible for something to be historically authentic and historically inaccurate at the same time, the degree to which this is acceptable or desirable will always depend on the context and purpose of the work in question.

In a historical game like Enlisted the developers may choose to incorporate fictional or anachronistic elements for creative or gameplay reasons. It can detract from its historical authenticity, but it does not necessarily contradict the games’ message of aiming to be overall historical authentic.

But like in general, the acceptability of inaccuracies and anachronisms in Enlisted will depend on the expectations of the audience. Some people may be more forgiving than others.

So what does the audience wants?
I guess it’s more important to ask what game Enlisted want to be?

Enlisted emphasis on historical authenticity suggests that the developers have taken care to create a game that is faithful to the historical period and context being portrayed, which could appeal to players who are interested in the history of World War II or who value historical accuracy in their entertainment.

Maybe that was the target audience from the beginning?
Maybe it still is the target audience. Maybe not. My guess is the latter; that things have changed in the meantime.

Does it matter?

I guess time will tell.


Conclusion:

If Enlisted aims to be historically accurate like they claimed in this video then I would say they failed.

If Enlisted aims to be historically authentic I would say they succeeded.

For the record, I’m, not a historian but I have a master’s degree in intellectual history (also known as history of ideas) for what is worth. Historiography and historical methodology were a part of what I was doing.

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Oh, here we go again.

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Thanks to hear the voice of truly historic!
You cannot step twice into the same river. Anything that requires historical accuracy will ultimately result in inaccuracy, because everything that happened in the past won’t happen again.They can be historical, but they cannot be true. They can be bit accurate, but they cannot be historical.
Because any text, film, or television content can be exaggerated, deceived, or even artistically processed, all we need to do is create a history that meets the understanding of most people

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excellent analysis on the subject, the problem would not exist if the game was promoted with the right words, there was a phase in which enlisted was historically accurate, but it ended when the quantity of content was chosen over quality, if then the game had changed its description we would have spared ourselves this stupid forum cold war

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Nah, the biggest problem here is that few people cannot simply accept fact Enlisted is primarily casual game with not a really big playerbase.

Devs simply shouldn’t spend all their time to watch about every historically accurate detail for a few special people that will eventually notice.

Current state of enlisted is worrying, devs are currently facing way bigger problems than history. They’ll have to complete reworke whole system of game economy with upcoming merging of campings + they’ll have to consistently add new content. + Huge number of people on this forum are pretty hate free toward them.

But I know, It’s so easy to cry about something. Not see the forest for the trees.

But I guess few individuals would really like realism and historical accuracy over healthy gameplay and playerbase. :man_shrugging: Priorities.

Then dont make ad where you say stuff like this



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Rn the game is neither and the playerbase size is not really impressive so I dont know how it should make things worse, pal.

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Yeah, they did change opinion. Haven’t you read news from this year or what? It’s already 2023 btw.
You are acting so childishly…

This is all from 2023 so still wrong advertisment. And according to Fox, they wanted to be HA, so makes even less sense to advertise with it.

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Completely give up this project and move on for example? :man_shrugging: Why are you even here?

So no answer from you?

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I wanted it to be a slightly more realistic Forgotten Hope 1/2 when I first came in, and it was actually headed that way with the sheer number of historical weapons and equipment available to use.

It’s the basic movement mechanics and janky “flow” of infantry movement that has led to the fast-paced sweaty shit we see now, imo

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Really looking forward to when the game actually blows up viral somehow and this loud minority of mUh CaSuAlS can shut up.

Why would they go to so much effort of modelling and producing such detailed weapons and penetration mechanics if they wanted casual playerbase?

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Because casual players want MuH GrApHiC you dont catch them withaut it, same reason wy cod and battlefield flex graphics every year

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The playerbase is small because of the systems in place due to trying to be HA

This makes no sense since they never tried and the devs never wanted to be (dont know why they advertise ha though)

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But you were all having riots because merging the campaigns “took away historical accuracy”? So which is it? Does the game have historical accuracy, or does it not? Can’t have both

I primary said it makes the game more like WT, makes people play campaigns/ maps they dont want, doesnt fix most game issues/ reasons why the game sucks rn and is mostly caused because campaigns (mostly Moscow and SG) became too similiar because of lazy ass devs (which maybe could have been prevented with HA), not to mention the whole MM will rely on Germany even more.
And that the devs are still falsely advertise with HA.

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Huh.
I never thought of it this way…

Authenticity can be preserved with mm easily.
If you are talking strict accuracy, no game have that.
The argument on this generally goes as “this is not milsim”
1)There is no real correlation of being historic and being milsim in gaming market
2) even in hll you can use stg44 in stalingrad maps.