Nah - not at Moscow - Soviets had whatever was left of 6100 the Empire had bought in WW1
N O, not this op killer machine
Is the 1912 actually any better than the Auto5? Just wondering before it gets reassigned in the OBTâŚ
Havenât tried it, but the auto 5 has very little range compared to the TOZ-B so I would assume the 1912 also has more range than the auto 5
If you want to talk about being historically accurateâŚ
Military shotgun use during World War II was rare, mostly limited to U.S. forces fighting in the Pacific against Japanese bunkers and earthen fortifications. A big standout in non-American shotgun use came after World War II during the Malaya Emergency, when British forces fought guerillas in the jungle with semi-automatic shotguns. U.S. forces were issued small numbers of shotguns here and there in the Vietnam War, with shotguns most common among clandestine reconnaissance Teams. Marine infantry troops were issued the M1912 riot gun, a 12 gauge patterned after shotguns used to quell prison riots.
Right. The use of shotguns on the current scale is inaccurate by itself especially in Europe. The historical accurate argument unfortunately falls shorter and shorter by the day
Also, in modern times, Combat Engineers are one of the soldier types that are known to use shotguns.
âCurrently, engineers and military police are receiving them as the M26 can serve specific purposes such as (door) breaching and riot control,â said 2nd Lt. Robert Gonzalez, platoon leader, 22nd Route Clearance Company.
âWe used to use a Mossberg 500 model shotgun, and these are the first under-sling shotguns weâve seen. It is more versatile than the Mossberg,â said Spc. David Hahn, 14th Engineer Battalion. âSince it can be mounted onto an assault rifle, we can use it for protection immediately after breaching a door.â
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The Russian TOZ-B is most likely a TOZ-66 which wasnât made until at earliest the 1960s
Right, so because MODERN soldiers used it, WW2 soldiers that never got it issues should use it?
Last time I checked we are on Moscow and Normandy, not Iraq
Because shotguns are already more common than they already should be ingame, we shouldnât be trying to make them even more common.
And once again, engineers are one of the most powerful classes in the game. its only weakness is not being able to defend himself at short range. This would completely nullify that weakness.
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good find Death_incarnate. Hopefully engineers would get shotguns!
There is a few issues with these âfindsâ:
1: No source links
He could have made the stuff up.
2: Irrelevant
Modern day has nothing to do with WW2
Here are your sources. Not to mention my MOS in the Army was Combat Engineer so there is that.
https://www.army.mil/article/89927/engineers_have_a_blast_with_new_shotguns
https://www.army.mil/article/193318/combat_engineers_marines_make_a_bang_with_shotguns_demos
Still does not fix issue 2.
I am not saying that because modern combat engineers use shotguns, WW2 engineers should too. I am simply pointing out that it is not out of the question to ask for Engineers to have to option to equip shotguns. As it stands, only the Assault class has the ability to equip the shotgun. But they are also the only class that can equip the SMGs (aside from Tankers who rarely exit the tank anyway). As an Assault squad, I have to choose between equipping a much higher ROF weapon that carries a much much higher capacity of ammunition vs equipping a short range, low ammo capacity and low ROF weapon. Obviously I will choose the SMG.
I am NOT saying that Shotguns should be the ONLY weapon Engineers can use. I am simply asking for engineers to have the OPTION to also equip one. Going from building something to switching to a rifle and ADS in a short time in CQB is almost impossible. Conversely, if I could switch from the hammer to a shotgun, I wouldnât have to worry so much about being super accurate etc. I could easily switch and hip fire with a higher chance of hitting the target in a CQB situation.
Shotgun wins from SMG in 1v1. As you can equip both, you can initiate an engagement with the shotgun to take out the first target you see instantly, as that is faster than shooting 3 SMG shots. Then use the SMG to finish the rest of the squad off, using the fast weapon swap speed.
Engineers on the other hand have the ability to dominate a match with MG nests and rally points. Their literal only downside is lack of a weapon like a shotgun, which would make them absolutely dominate, as they no longer would have to rely on their buildings
Which is righteous punishment for building too close to the front line. Again, if you give them shotguns they can get away with way too much.
that does not negate the validity of my request for ENGINEERS to be able to equip a shotgun instead of being limited to a bolt action. Also, engineers can only âdominateâ in a match IF they do not get killed first when building an MG nest, AA emplacement or AT gun. I canât recall how many times I have been wiped out by planes, snipers, SMGs and Tanks when building something. If I could trust my AI buddies to be worth a damn, it wouldnât be an issue.
Dude, the Russian shotgun is a 2-shot, SxS Break action shotgun. With 12 roundsâŚIm not sure how much you are going to be able to rampage.
I rest my case here.
They do not have to rampage. They just need to protect themselves until they got buildings up. Shotgun would make that too easy. Bolt actions require skill.
You never had a case to rest. I can see your argument IF every shotgun was the Auto5. BUT they arent.
Right. Like as if you need more than 1 shot to nuke someone with a shotgun
At that point why not give them LMGs because you need more than 1 shot to hit the enemy with your aim?
At this point it is coming down to âgit gudâ
No it has exactly the same damage characteristics - for a few hours at least!
1 more round in the magazine - same reloadâŚ