Endgame metaprogress aka how to give the reason for vets to come back

Hello guys, so it finally happened: I reached the end of all TechTrees and basically there is no more progress for me.

Japan

USSR

USA

German

And it took me like 32*24 ~ 700 hours with Premium and battle pass

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Yes, I might generate some random ideas for self-entertaining, like lvl up all squads up to the max lvl, or wait for the next event(to complete it within minimal time period…)etc. but…

As you probably have noticed - DF dev team providing some new content with reaaaaly big delay between each large patch.
This leads to appearance of such a group of players, whose like I’m - reach the end of TT and they might stop or limit their playing period
and this leads to:

  1. Lower game online
  2. Lower amount of donates(aka who need the premium if you don’t need expirience anymore…)
    Personally I bought Premium for previous year and now, since I don’t need anymore exp - I just bought one squad size increment(for second vehicle) forever for each nation and that’s it.
    (Yes, I’m practical person and I prefer to use money for profit, not for fancy stuff :D)

So this situation bring sadge to both players and DF.

But I think there is a way to make everyone happy!

As you probably know - some games have wipes aka clean up of entire game progress.
Some times it happen just because(e.g. due to new patch), some times you can do it by yourself for some profit.

Like we have it right now in Tarkov(EFT) - litteraly self-initiated wipe in exchange for some goods.

Aaaaaaaaand I think this is the key!

So what I’m proposing is to give such players as I’m become right now - with every last research completed in every line of TT of every nation - an ability to make a self-initiated TT wipe!
The procedure as I see it from players perspective:

  1. All TT stuff that could be sold - will be sold for silver.
  2. All this silver will be used forcibly to buy Silver chests recursively till money will reach less than 5k amount.
  3. All silver stuff that couldn’t be sold like TT squads, TT vehicles, default weapon, tools, etc will be wiped!!!
  4. All TT progress for all nations will be wiped
  5. All premium/event/BP stuff/orders logically will stay with player.
  6. You will get base TT squads/weapons/vehicles.

Okay, this was painfull side. As you can see it took’s really big amount of time even for me with premium to reach the end of TT.
So logically there should be something really special/interesting/outstanding to give it in exchange for this action.
Ofc we could start with some common stuff, like unique nick decal, aftermatch icon, maybe even squad size increment…

But the real thing that I’m thinking about is some meta progression that will bring NEW MECANICS based on number of wipes done by player.
I can only give some suggestions and only DF could say what will be balanced enough, so let’s go:

  1. Paratroopers TT line for every nation
  2. Ability to give medals (aka additional points in perk tree) for every trooper for some outstanding performance, like 1000+ kills or 1000 buildings built(ofc with cross match progression :smiley: )
  3. Advanced buildings for engineers(maybe open with each new engineer lvl, not only LMG for lvl3 engineer)/ability to select buildings from buildings list per each squad.
  4. Same as for engineers, but for radio squads - ability select specific type of plane(maybe even call for fighters to get enemy planes)
  5. Double weapon handling for assaulters.
  6. Squad of uberhumans with outstanding characteristics: 2m height, super fast, super high jumps without any perks selected
    (e.g. Terror squad from ‘The Saboteur’ game:
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  7. Ability to call bomber with atomic bomb, once they achieved 150+ kills within same match, to save the day (or give 1k points to enemy who will be able to destroy this bomber :smiling_imp:)
  8. Ability to mark an area for AI teammate with mortar to bomb it till the end of shells.
  9. Ability for tanks to select ammunition loadout.

(I guess community could generate tons of additional mechanics to implement for vets).

Yes, you may say that some mechanics are way too OP, but King Tiger is also way to OP enough and still you can open it by grind.
Same thing here: some mechanics could be open after first self-initiated wipe, some after 2-3-4-5-etc. wipe.

I shown you the problem, I shown you the solution. Now let’s talk about what it will give every side:

Players:

  1. All vets will receive ability to get new cool mechanic(s).
  2. There will be hundreds if not thousands of vets those will come back to game.
  3. The earlier person will join the game - the easier it will be to get to the end of TT.
  4. Imagine some player will reach 4th or 5th wipe and will get an ability to make a nuke - I would call it THE ACHIEVEMENT!

DF:

  1. Every self-respecting player with money will buy Premium for several years - so more money $$$.
    I would call it a fair deal. :smiley:

Please, share your thoughs!

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Enlisted in 2025

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Totally doesn’t sound like a powercreep.

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Well, if we talk about reward which will take ~700*%amount_of_wipes% hours to achive - then why not?
Plus, regarding atomic bomb - same thing presented in WT for highly efficient players to save the game with bad teammates

Since we have an ability to spawn squads nearby APCs/rallies and almost no friendly fire damage - we already there for atleast one year :slight_smile:

Because it’s bs and it’s power creep and that’s NEVER good in a PvP game, just like p2w.

Personally I don’t like the idea of “press button to win”.

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I don’t know how this may be power creep, while we have King tiger vs brIV, HVAR rocket planes with minutes to repeat salvo, paratroopers with flamethower/MGs, self digging mines, mortars with ability to destroy tank, engineers with ability to spawn AA/AT or squad spawners…

I think that those will be just an additional portion of funny game mechanics those will add more ways to achieve the victory.

But yeah, I guess every person have his/her Enlisted in the head…

I believe thats due to misunderstanding, I think you jumped to conclusion and thought he means like dual smgs or something thats obviously op and broken

Im sure he meant something more appropriate like this

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Maybe that’s because I’m biased and prefer some explosive/mg stuff instead of smg/assault rifles (as you can see by my amount of kills in profile screenshot) but I don’t think that this is op due to rock/papper/scissors mechanic and no matter how many smgs you have since 75+mm HE shell doesn’t care :smiley:

Plus don’t you think that it could be balanced by bigger recoil, slow reload and simmilar to MG - slower run speed? :slight_smile:

Is this a joke?

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To answer this question we need to see statistics from DF about how many ppl leave the game after reaching the end of entire TT

I think most people who leave the game are those who haven’t completed TT, someone who has completed TT either really likes the game or has spent so much money on the game that they don’t want to give it up.

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My friend new grinds can be added, new events can be created, new mechanics can be added, most of the things can be done with the game to keep people playing even if its for 1-3 hour daily. But since you completed each TT and u have 700 hours you must know something, this game is not the type of game we can throw atomic bombs around or we want to see suphumans running around with 100 round MGs, playerbase is literally chill ww2 enjoyers and if devs tries to push their “hallowen and april” event style jokes to in main pvp, then game completely will die, no veteran will play that kind game

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Well, the reason why I’m so chill about those ideas of superhumans/dual weaponary is because there are plenty of ways to make it balanced, like:
for supers - low hp(steroids drawback XD), low stamina, big hit-box, riflemans only class, etc.
for dual - extreme recoil, smaller speed of running, long reload, etc.
And there is absolutely no problem with getting rid of slow atomic bomber with AA gun or fighter plane.

Actually it would be interesting to hear your ideas of balanced mechanics, those could be hidden behind TT wipe button :smiley: