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The ZK-391 is one in a series of Czech developmental semiautomatic rifles designed by Josef Koucký. It was developed initially in 1939 (hence the “39” in the designation), and was tested by the Italian military in 1943. It was ultimately not put into production, but nonetheless is an interesting detail of rifle development – a Czech design made under German occupation (note the Waffenwerke Brunn marking) for Italian trials (note the Italian safety markings).

Mechanically, the rifle shared many elements with the M1 Garand, including the two-lug rotating bolt, the long stroke gas piston, and the removable gas tube. It has several unique elements as well, like the trigger guard doubling as a lever to recock the hammer and the out of battery safety mechanism incorporating the receiver top cover.

ZK 381 self-loading rifle

Although cartel agreements between the dominant arms factories in interwar Czechoslovakia relatively strictly defined the spheres of competence in the field of small arms, self-loading rifles did not figure in them. They were not mass-produced weapons at the time, and none of the arms factories could foresee, given the changing interest of the military administration, how much this segment would be of the future.

The design hegemony of the Holk brothers at the Czechoslovak Arms Factory in Brno was partially disrupted by the second, this time definitive, entry of Josef Koucký (1904–1989) in 1934. He first joined the arms factory in 1930, but had to leave it for two years during the economic crisis. Two years after his second entry, he became chief designer and head of the arms development department in the weapons research department. It was undoubtedly at that time that he began work on the development of self-loading rifles, which were joined a few years later by submachine guns, anti-tank rifles, and also the development of a 30 mm anti-aircraft gun.

The first, now no longer preserved prototype of Koucký’s self-loading rifle, designated ZK 371, is known only from factory photographs. In the same year, Josef Koucký constructed another model, designated ZK 375, with a completely unusual design of a locked breech and gas pressure extraction from not one, but two pistons. The extent to which Koucký’s first steps in this field were viable is a question. In any case, while working on them, he gained a lot of experience that he used in other designs.

In February 1938, he began work on another rifle, which was designated ZK 381, and it represented a very viable design with a number of original elements. Its operating system used a locked breech with gas pressure on the piston, but unlike the ZH rifles of Emanuel Holek or the Strakonice vz. 35, it had a bolt that folded into the lower part of the breech housing. However, the locking surface of the breech did not rest in a recess in the breech housing, but in a transversely inserted support with an eccentric head and secured by a nut. The advantage of the solution was that it was no longer necessary to produce a precisely tolerated and particle-hardened locking surface in the lower part of the breech housing. The replaceable support also allowed for precise definition of the breech clearance in the event of its increase, both as a result of increased breech clearances due to wear from shooting and inaccuracies in serial production. The arms company applied for patent protection for the solution in February 1938 and received patent No. 67,035.

The ZK 381 rifle had a free piston, placed parallel above the barrel, but of a very original design. A spring-loaded movable support was rotatably attached to the rear of the piston, pushed backwards by a spring in the piston. The rear of the piston passed through a guide in the bridge of the breech block and transmitted the impulse of the collected gases to the front surface of the bolt carrier. The support not only secured the piston in the rear of the guide, but also returned the piston to the front position by spring pressure. The elegant design of the piston was covered from above by a wooden handguard, secured in the rear by a flexible yoke, which the shooter only needed to release with the tip of a sharp bullet. The design of the piston was protected by the arms factory with patent No. 72,096, also filed in February 1938.

Josef Koucký also used the flexibility of the arm for securing the gas cylinder cap (expansion sleeve), held in the tube by a pair of symmetrical teeth. The patented solution also included the possibility of fixing the cap arm with a plunger stem placed under the barrel. The gas cylinder cap could also be installed upside down, whereby the shooter closed the bypass channel and the rifle then functioned only as a repeater. The factory applied for protection for the design in July 1938 and received patent No. 71,873.

Josef Koucký solved the firing mechanism in a very unconventional way. He completely abandoned the traditional concept of a hammer placed in the lower part of the bolt housing and spring-loaded by a separate firing spring. He placed the rotating hammer directly in the rear part of the bolt carrier and connected it to the support rod of the recoil spring. The recoil spring not only controlled the forward movement of the bolt, but also functioned as a firing pin. A similar solution had not yet appeared in any self-loading rifle. Zbrojovka applied for patent protection in December 1938, but it was not until June 1943 that it received patent number 72,136.

The rifle also had an original trigger mechanism with an added fire readiness function. After the last round was fired, the trigger bar caught the bolt carrier. After changing the magazine, it was enough to pull the trigger, which released the slide and loaded the first round into the chamber. A second pull of the trigger then led to a shot. Although the subject of patent No. 71,875 was the rotating safety of the trigger mechanism, the patent, filed in January 1939, also covered the design of the trigger mechanism.

In the spring of 1938, a Soviet military delegation visited the armory. Among the weapons on display, Koucký’s self-loading rifle ZK 381 caught their attention, and they expressed interest in its conversion to the Soviet 7.62 x 54 R (7.62 mm Mosin) cartridge. The Soviet side supplied the armory with 30,000 rounds for internal tests, as ammunition of this caliber was not produced in Czechoslovakia at the time. The armory produced two samples, one with a non-removable magazine for 5 rounds and the other with a standard, detachable magazine for 10 rounds. The samples were designated ZK 381 Au, with the additional designation being the internal code used by the armory for the USSR.

In addition to the Brno arms factory, designers from Strakonice also participated in the tests at the Kolomna polygon, which took place in the first half of October 1938, with the ČZ vz. 38 rifle.

The test results not only showed the pitfalls of completely different cartridge designs, but also brought a lot of knowledge about the Soviet weapons testing methodology.

For the next announced round of tests, the Soviet commission demanded that the weapon be modified to have a magazine, structurally based on the AVS 36 automatic rifle, the stock be modified to have a shape corresponding to the Mosin rifle, and the design of the sighting telescope. As early as December 1938, the arms factory apparently put three samples into production with the designation ZK 381 Au II, of which pieces with numbers 014 and 016 have survived. One of them passed internal durability tests in March 1939 by firing 14,000 rounds. As a result of the occupation of the remaining part of the republic, there was no demonstration in the Soviet Union, although contacts with the Soviet side had not yet completely ceased.

Even before the occupation, from February 26 to March 6, 1939, Josef Koucký, Emauel Holek, ing. František Sikyta and Otakar Galaš demonstrated the ZK 381 and ZH 39 rifles, as well as the ZB 53 heavy machine gun, in France, successfully, but without further results.

In June 1939, the arms factory’s experimental workshop received an order to produce 8 ZK 381 rifles and another 5 were to be manufactured according to the specifications of the German military administration. We do not yet have any further information about the tests at the Kummersdorf testing center, where they were assessed by the infantry weapons department (WaPrüf 2). In the same year, Josef Koucký had already constructed another model with the designation ZK 391 and a completely different bolt mechanism, which was also tested in a number of countries, but was also not mass-produced. The ZK 381 rifle can therefore be considered the design peak in the pre-war concept of the design of self-loading rifles by the Czechoslovak arms factory.

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I really like this tone of dark brown.

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that is not a ZH-29, but a ZK-391 trialed by Italians (you quoted the wrong text).
Indeed cool rifle btw.

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Czechoslovak ZK-420S rifle, designed by Josef Koucky in 1942. Long stroke gas piston operated rotating bolt design, very similar to M1 Garand. The trigger mechanism was also similar. After WW2, it was intended to be widely exported, but no country chose to adopt it.

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Czechoslovak ZK-420S rifle, designed by Josef Koucky in 1942. Long stroke gas piston operated rotating bolt design, very similar to M1 Garand. The trigger mechanism was also similar. After WW2, it was intended to be widely exported, but no country chose to adopt it.
The Czechoslovak ZK-420S rifle was developed by brothers Józef and Franciszek Koucky during World War II. It was a semi-automatic rifle that operated on the principle of removing powder gases, and it was produced in 1945, featuring a rotating bolt similar to the M1 Garand rifle. Although it was marketed extensively in the late 1940s, the ZK-420S never entered mass production. The design influenced later rifles, including the M14 and Kalashnikov. Czech Model ZK 420-S Rifle, Serial Number "0001" | Rock Island Auction

thanks everyone i appreciate any comment even if it is telling me when i am wrong.

The karabin samopowtarzalny wzór 38M (self-repeating rifle pattern 1938M , abbreviated kbsp wz. 38M ), is a 7.92mm semi-automatic rifle used in small numbers by the Polish Army during the Polish Campaign of World War II.

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Pinterest CZ Model S Prototype (1929)

Posted on April 18, 2016 by Spike Bowan

This CZ Model S rifle is one of many prototypes made between the world wars in Czechoslovakia in an effort to develop a military semiautomatic rifle.

Similar efforts were underway in most other countries at the same time (basically every place that had a mature arms industry), and a huge variety of ideas were tried out.

In this case, we have a gas operated, tilting bolt rifle design. It is chambered for the 8×57 Mauser cartridge, and uses a 10-round detachable magazine.

This rifle has a 1929 acceptance mark, which dates it nicely for us. It was designed by a team including one of the Holek brothers, and did better than its competition in trials – but not well enough to be accepted by the Czech military or to attract any outside commercial interest.

Holek would go on to design the ZH-29 rifle, and CZ would move on to a series of other designs that ultimately led to naught.

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Netsch crossbow - carbine. Netsch Automatic Rifle Netsch Light machine gun and automatic rifle : ForgottenWeapons Holub light rifle (Czech: Lehký kulomet Holub) a prototype full automatic gas operated Czech rifle from the 1920s tested by the Czech army and ever adopted : r/ForgottenWeapons. Holub

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I always thought that Czech rifles dont get the attention they deserve.
These are very good rifles that are comparable to any other semi-automatic rifle fielded by the great powers such as the SVT-40, Gewehr43 or M1 Garand.

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But most of them were never adopted. So as some here on the forum would say, they are basically fantasy weapons. :man_shrugging:


Had similar stuff from minor nations been added to the TT of majors WW2 players who had influence over these nations. The potential content for the WW2 period would have been so vast.

Of course, it would have to be corrected with a certain amount of discretion.

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well, not every weapon has to be in tech tree.
mass-produced and standard equipment must be in the tech tree, while everything else could be premium, event or BP.
But at this point Im not even sure if it matters that much anymore since BR5 is almost alternative history by now. The game has became too mainstream so pushing for HA is pointless.

People that still want to see historical accurate battles should get their own, without BRs just balance things out with limiting their numbers.

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Very cool on all accounts, I mean the 5rnd option seems like a nice alternative to what is there already at BR2. Would be a shame to not see it in some form or another.

As for if it should be TT, event or prem, I mean I would personally base it on production numbers.

I would not.

I would be driven primarily by whether a weapon equivalent already exists in the tech tree.

For example, if there is already in TT a semi rifle with 10 round mag using reaload with stripper clips. Then I wouldn’t put another one in the TT, but I would make it a premium/event.
And so on.

Of course if I then wanted to make something like a full sub faction. Then I would do things differently. And instead, I would make, say, 2/3 lines of equipment of just that particular nation.

With that said, I would let the player use the equipment on any map. But I would only unlock that soldier’s sub nationality through customization on certain maps. And then in all others, either the main nationality or other sub nationality would be accessible.

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This is not bad. Which countries have used it?

isnt that one already in the game? looks like that Japanese semi auto.

Yes, otsu is copy of ZH.

That’s a replica. I want to know about the original version.

ZK412 Rifle BR V

This one is also very interesting option

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Honestly yeah, I agree, I more said the production numbers bit because I am so sick of extremely common equipment being locked away as either premium or event equipment. Japan comes to mind instantly there. Oh the flip side, I dont want a 1 off gun design to be added to the tech tree because “it fills a niche”.

She can go to BR3 in Germany, but currently there is VG15…