What have I created, I just wanted to voice opinion of people that don’t know how the forums work/ what are the forums
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one guy? Have you read facebook? Check it. On the console platform, many people complain about crossplay. If they see that this game has it, they won’t buy it either.
“It would negatively affect waiting times.” where is this data? It should be reviewed first, right?
And the idea is not to eliminate crossplay. In itself it is ok. The idea is to allow you to choose whether to activate it or not.
anyway, it doesn’t matter. It is temporary. So, solved.
What have I created, I just wanted to voice opinion of people that don’t know how the forums work/ what are the forums
Don’t worry, the outcry is pretty loud right now. I scrolled the Enlisted subreddit and found at least 3 posts about this among the first 10.
Devs don’t look at facebook, they look here.
It’s quite simple. No crossplay = less players that can fill matchmaker, as the matchmaker cant use console players to fill PC matches, or vice versa. Whether it increases queue times by 1 second or 1 minute, that is something that can be analysed, aka, whether it is impactful enough, can be analysed. But it objectively will always negatively impact queue times.
Not in the places where devs look.
Tbh the devs do look into reddit and people cry a bit a lot there…
Whilst the devs can see comments elsewhere, this forum is set up as the place to leave feedback, so do so here, you can even create polls for those on the forum (whom actually play the game). Crossplay factually reduces matchmaker times and also increases inclusivity.
Crossplay between consoles and PC has been sought after in most every online game, I don’t see the difference here and why not have it? There are countless examples that prove it is quite possible to play effectively on console (especially with keyboard and mouse support which, if that is such a big deal, is extremely cheap and simple to use, simply buy a lapboard and use or buy your own keyboard and mouse, all for cheaper than a single controller).
I’m not talking about the devs, I’m talking about the fact that there are people who complain. And not only in this game, in all crossplay games
And objectively many players stop playing the game because they have crossplay. In the end, we are in the same.
The only way for people who don’t want forced crossplay to play the game is to let them choose, otherwise they won’t.
In fact, I might entice a number of colleagues to buy the game, but I’m not going to recommend it until I see that this issue actually becomes stable.
That means almost nothing to this game itself, here is the place for feedback and suggestions and whilst the devs do look elsewhere, this is where they go primarily for obvious reasons.
This has the exact reverse effect on those whom don’t want crossplay, it walls them off to only those whom also don’t want it and the odd few whom get randomly matched in as well. Besides, this is simply for the CBT and possibly OBT for better matches with more actual players to test and make improvements to the game.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in mine, crossplay is a good thing for the reasons above and please leave feedback on this forum if you have one yourself.
I understand what you mean. But I am not referring to that. I’m trying to say that forced crossplay is not a good idea. And this is reflected in many places. If you are a pc gamer, you will not see it. But if you are a console gamer, you will see it on every site, forum, group, etc.
Another different thing, is to write here in this forum, so that the devs allow the option or whatever. In order to write here, you have to buy the game. I don’t think people buy the game to say they don’t want forced crossplay.
So, I think we are at the same point. If this crossplay is used to improve the game, so be it. No problem!!. I will suffer the beatings that PC players currently carry out so that the game improves.
Anyway, a dev has noticed that it is temporary. So, no problem.
Couple of quick things:
Whilst this is the case, those players have very little knowledge of the game itself and thereby don’t have an opinion based on the game itself, merely second hand at best and are thereby not relevant, especially since a large number of those whom may comment may never play the game regardless pf what they say, seriously weighting the thread for no benefit.
In terms of this, as I said, I think permanent crossplay is a good idea and that rather than suggest it be removed, we should discuss a fair method of having both console and PC play together for the betterment of the game and the community, especially if worked from the ground up. But generally it is relatively fair, I might suggest a small amount of auto aim such that if you move the sight over a soldier or other target, it snaps there rather than continues to move (just a little and only if deliberately aimed so quick movements will move as normal, but slow, or hovering near the target will snap (just a little on either side).
I guess the dev’s idea is to sell more games, right? All console gamers, on ps and xbx, don’t want FORCED crossplay. If they find out that this game is forced crossplay, they won’t be interested. So I don’t see any benefit here.
Isn’t it better that more players are attracted to the game and buy more?
Strongly disagree. FORCED crossplay is the worst thing that ever happened to the console world. It is a cancer that is spreading little by little. And it’s the only thing that can stop me from playing shooters after 30 years of playing. Unless they solve the cheating problems on pc. Unlikely thing.
For me and the people I talk to, there is no possible discussion or small amount of auto aiming or anything. Mixing pc players with pc console is a total nosense. There are many variables that unbalance in playing on pc. It is total nonsense.
I still don’t understand why you have to force me to play against PC people. If I want to, I will buy it on pc and play on my pc. I dont have a problem with that. But I’m not going to do it. In fact, “I kill more on pc”. But for me, a pleasant experience in a shooter is not killing more, it is achieving objectives and not having to deal with cheats or other strange mechanisms (which by the way, are also spreading on consoles).
What is clear is that if Enlisted uses forced crossplay, I will stop playing. And obviously all the ps and xbox friends aren’t going to want to play it either. I don’t know of anyone in my groups who wants forced crossplay in shooters. Of course, I am not going to recommend it anywhere, neither ps or xbox friends, nor whatsapp groups nor telegra, nor forums. It is simple.
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Please read this whole post before replying, whilst I may be about to attack certain points, overall I simply want a discussion first.
That is pretty irrelevant to the discussion since it suggests “Hey, I can’t do that, I’m on console”, PC players have to deal with it (and cheating still happens on console anyway, if not now, it will eventually).
Explain, in what fashion? What variables make it unfair and then how can such be mitigated, simply crying it’s unfair is pointless.
This itself is made irrelevant by your comment at the end, besides being irrelevant anyway without discussion first.
As mentioned, that produces walled gardens and more frustration, especially if it is made a choice.
Overall, rather than knee-jerking to 'I don’t want crossplay, it’s bad" without giving any express reasons for such, would it not be better to discuss potential solutions that make the game better first and then if it really does not work, perhaps such can be discussed? That is what this period of testing is for afterall.
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I always read before writing. I do not understand. Perhaps being of another language does not get to understand correctly what you are referring to.
For me, nothing I have said is irrelevant. I do not understand what you mean.
Using the term cry is very typical when you are in a position of power or advantage. In fact, if you had no crossplay and the bulk of players were on consoles. Would it be you or some pc gamer crying?
when they launch a game I get bugs on pc but not on consoles and pc players complain. they are crying?
If we are going to talk, it is better to leave that nonsense of “crying” for childish people.
I go back to not understanding why it is irrelevant. It won’t be for you, for me it is. Perhaps I have summarized a lot.
I don’t understand what you mean by walled gardens.
So, you want to know why forced crossplay is bad, right? Well, a good option would be to buy a console, and play a game against PC people for a month. Then we could talk about it here.
I have played warzone on ps4 with crossplay disabled always. He won games daily with acceptable kills. One more day, in one more console shooter (I play other shooters). Nothing strange.
I bought the XSX and was playing warzone again. Horror began. Cheats everywhere. And lose face to face continuously due to the skill of the players on pc. You can see it in the death cam. 360º turns and sharpen your aim, extreme precision. It is incomprehensible to buy an m & k with a controller. Yes, there are players with very good control … who play 8 hours a day for years … The average controller player, is not like that.
Of course I tested to play on pc and things changed, I no longer lost face-to-face games and won more games (not as many as on ps4). But the problem of cheats remained.
(I’ve used warzone as an example. But extend this to any crossplay shooter).
On ps4 40/100 friends playing warzone. In XSX 2/54 players playing warzone. It is normal. Warzone froced crossplay sucks. (Clarify that they play the warzone because there is no other better war game on consoles. All are waiting for new bf.)
On the other hand, I can save you that time and tell you some point that if you were a console player, you would possibly understand without much trouble.
Potential solutions:
- How do we make an m & k be just as balanced as a console control? Show me the magic recip. Probably the big companies will buy you the idea. Is something impossible. There will never be a fair balance for either side.
It’s like wanting to match Formula 1 cars with supercars. Even if they run on the same circuit, it doesn’t make any sense.
On pc you can modify dozens of variables:
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CHEATS. Do you need any more explanation? Do you understand that as gamers who choose to play on consoles, one of the reasons is to avoid this crap? How do we match this?
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Modify all graphic options to the minimum to obtain higher fps greater advantage in high refresh rate monitors. How do we match this?
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The correction of a mouse against a controlles is indisputably different. They are two different ways of playing. If you use a lot of auto aim for controller, you will cause a disadvantage for the other side. But this of course, will depend on who you face.
Also, the handling in controlls are very bad today in xbox (I suppose that ps5 is the same). On pc there are probably better feelings. Something obvious because it is intrinsic to the handling of the mouse. What complicates even more, a possible (and unreal) balance between both devices. How do we match this?
- On the other hand, on consoles, we all play with the same characteristics. On PC, without using cheats, you can modify game files to modify the luminance of objects and make the soldiers look lighter than the rest. Completely breaking the game. Just like some BF players do on PC. On consoles, we all play the same. The only thing that can vary is the use of the hdr and the resolution. How do we match this?
If I decide to play on console to avoid all this. Why do they force me to play crossplay? Isn’t it better to leave it as an option?
From the activated crossplay, the pc players are SIMEPRE first, destroying the others. Is this the user experience we want? Me, as a console gamer, no. And I assure you that I am not the only one who thinks that way.
Please, if something is not understood, tell me and I will try to modify it.
And consoles can buy Cronus and various other cheating devices. Hell sometimes the consoles are easier to cheat on thanks to lack of anti-cheat.
That’s a literal non-issue in Enlisted, try again. Nevermind that consoles play on actual potato settings just so they can play the game above 10fps.
This one is spot on.
Editing game files will also get you thwacked on most decent games 
Only actual mongrel games let you edit files to your advantage.
Consoles play this game on 4k 60 FPS or 2160p 120 fps smh don’t just lie…
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I know and I’m glad. Just wish I could pick up a sexbox but they’re all out of stock AAAAAAAAAAAAA
But Xbone and ps4 ran Like SHIT because of their shitty laptop APU
Lmao the game isn’t available on xbox one and PS4 tho
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I’m aware, I was using hyperbole when I said that original statement.
With this answer, you are a pc gamer, and I don’t think you know the difference between one thing and another. As I explained above, I invite you to play a month on ps4 / ps5 and then play on pc. Then you tell me the story again. How do we match this? Try again.
Cheats on pc never going to be the same like a “false” autoaim in consoles with cronus xDxD. That point is not resolved. So we are in the same.
I do not understand what you want to say, sorrry. I try again: on PC, you can turn everything to a minimum for better refresh rates and obvious benefits.
The game works 60fps 4k. The devs have made a great work. The game is incredible beautiful.
And it’s not a small thing. Basically, it is one of the pillars of the problem.
So, in pc you can, in the console not. Is it what you want to tell me?
Ah, no, this was simply to say not to take my responses to heart, I was after discussion, it wasn’t anything in particular to you, but I get the misunderstanding.
I used that term because unfortunately it’s what you’ve (royal, console players, but also specifically here) been doing, simply stating something is unfair and complaining about it is almost by definition crying, rather than actually explaining why and having a discussion.
Those are irrelevant for the reason of they either apply to PC players anyway which means they need to be dealt with and are unfair on them, or that the issue is the same on console regardless, meaning that whether or not there is crossplay is meaningless to that by your own admission.
It is a turn of phrase, it means to deliberately separate groups, which is what you are asking for and it usually isn’t good.
That is precisely the same for PC and for console, there will always be better players and 360 no scope is not really a point of concern, particularly in Enlisted.
This is an utterly irrelevant point to crossplay and utterly defeats your point since it suggests that the reason you do better on PC is because you cheat, but regardless, people cheat on console although it is more difficult and it is something PC players have to deal with so what is your point?
That’s something that has been happening for a very long time now and is not the PC’s fault, besides, consoles are now enabling 4k at 120 FPS on minimum settings in exactly the same way but for far cheaper so this argument stinks of bollocks.
Again, keyboard and mouse can be made available on console and has been done so successfully making this a nonargument, plus this is the point of discussion that needs to be made before you leap to “Oh my god it’s unfair, don’t let PC players win!” FFS grow up and quit complaining without at least trying to discuss solutions to problems and thus making the game better for all. Additionally here, if games are fully crossplay, you can simply use the exact same account on any device that plays the game, making it far nicer for the end user.
The rest is just odd and do you do such things? No? Oh then it is not something that means anything at all here is it?
For the reasons mentioned above here and playerbase, at least for now, this game is nowhere near big enough to not have crossplay.
No, he said the opposite, modifying game files will generally be caught by anti-cheat or similar and can get you permanently banned, so it isn’t worth it for the tiny advantage gained. Plus this game is very carefully designed such that graphics settings cannot be modified to give you an advantage, it is the reason why there is no ULQ option like that in War Thunder.
Whilst I respect your opinion and wish to have a discussion with you, please make points that have any meaning at all, or better yet, try discussing solutions to such problems rather than defaulting to crying about it (yes, that is what you are doing, made very obvious by the below quote).
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