Consistency in Historical Symbols

I do apologise for the image of the Aircraft containing a Swastika symbol, I understand that certain symbols from WWII, such as the Swastika, are considered offensive and have been removed from the game. However, I’ve noticed that other symbols with similar historical and controversial significance, like the Soviet hammer and sickle or the Imperial Japanese Rising Sun, are still present.

For the sake of consistency, I believe it would be fair to either allow all historically accurate symbols or remove all controversial ones, rather than selectively banning certain ones. This would ensure a balanced and historically respectful approach to the game’s content.

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I think that’s because the Nazi symbol is banned in many countries, where the Hammer and Sickle is only banned in Latvia (maybe a Latvian native could clarify that for me), and although the Rising Sun symbolism is frowned upon in Korea, it doesn’t appear to be banned anywhere.

I do see where you’re coming from though. All three symbols represent unprecedented misery and almost uncountable war crimes combined.

And no worries about the earlier post, it happens sometimes, and you corrected it, so no harm, no foul. :slight_smile:

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Yeah I get what you mean. Its one of those topics where some find it offensive and others don’t. As you said it happens I was corrected and I do apologise. I feel iy should be even all around. I understand the Swastika is banned almost every Country in the world but the Soviet and Japanese ones a little more tricky heres why they should be banned also;

Soviet Hammer & Sickle / Red Star – Associated with mass political repression, forced labor camps (Gulags), and oppressive rule over Eastern Europe. Many see it as a symbol of Soviet victory, but others view it as representing suffering and oppression.

Imperial Japanese Rising Sun Flag – Linked to war crimes across Asia, including massacres, forced labor, and human experimentation. While still used by Japan’s military today, many countries, especially China and Korea, see it as a symbol of past aggression.

So I dont know whats to come of it as for now :sweat_smile: just said id share my turpence.

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DF anyway:

( cant show picture of windmils or someone will actually screetch at me )

and even recently:

well. another windmil. just imagine it. i had to censor it.

you can still see the original it in my all clothing list up to date. since i actually document stuff that happens.

( granted, they did censored it 1 hour later. but still. )

you guys should really get your consistency in check.

and then again, what the effe is the purpose of “harmonization mode” if the base game is censored anyway.

with that being said, no. i do not condone swastikas / “funny windmils”. nor what the people asociated with it did.
but for a game that proclaims to be historically based and/or have attention in historical details, it’s just a joke at this point.

like, you’d expect in 2025 a simple check of where the user is connecting from and which country the player is from to enable or allow the ability to ability enable such mode.

to a point where even the psn can be banned through more than 120+ countries because of rules and what not.
but apparently it’s too much to ask for enlisted.

edit.
for god’s sake, even sniper elite has this :poop: figured out people…
it’s not rocket science.
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inb4 some smoothbrains accuses me of being a nazi simpatizer

i suppose being half german and italian in real life might not help my case.
but germany is my least played faction.

and i play all factions truth be told:

i just care about actual historical representation ( even though i do not like the hori, or other nonsense. but it’s fine from a “balance” stand point )

i’ll still prove my point.

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they literally have a “harmonization mode” designed to censor japanese symbols for china which is insane they dont just extend that to germany

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FYI; china has it’s own client too.

truly a :exploding_head: moment

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Personally all symbols should be in game to promote the Historical Accuracy but if people dont want the Swastika in game then the USSR and Japanese should have their symbols removed or censored also.

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Why should historical symbols have to be accurate when historical accuracy has only an accidental connection to the rest of the game?

I get that Enlisted isn’t a perfect historical simulator, but if the game is using historical settings, weapons, and uniforms, then consistency matters. If accuracy isn’t important, why include real-world factions and events at all? If historical symbols are removed selectively, it creates double standards—either commit to historical representation or make it clear that it’s an alternate version of history, not a pick-and-choose situation.

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Agreed.

I also think governments really need to think about this. There’s a huge difference between hanging that flag outside your house, and that flag being on a building in a computer game set in WWII.

It’s even worse when we have things like people posting model aeroplanes from Finland or Latvia and they either have to censor it or be accused of supporting the Failed Painter even though as my Finnish or Lativan friends here would explain, ‘the windmill’ was a lucky symbol used by those two countries air forces long before the Failed Painter stole it.

Furthermore, it is ridiculous to me to be upset by a symbol on the tail of a Stuka dive bomber, while being fine with the dive bomber itself. (a destructive weapon of war).

I also strongly agree with the main post about the hypocrisy of banning that symbol but not the hammer & sickle or rising sun given their own historical connotations.

In my opinion Id say add all the historical symbols, and then like gore just have an on/off switch. They could make it automatically off for certain countries such as Germany but that kinda defeats the purpose.

Maybe when people start the game a large prompt appears offering players a choice of Yes or No ‘historical symbols’ and explain what those are.

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Yes your very correct it was a symbol of luck and then well you know the rest. Annoying we can be banned over a Logo/Symbol but other players have or can post their own and yet have just as bad meanings behind them. Its supposed to gave a historical feel to the game and realism.

Yeah well that would simplify this whole thing the way you described about the prompt and players get a choice to say yes or no.

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For many countries or groups of people, the symbols related to the United States are no less offensive than those related to the Soviet Union or Japan. Your best suggestion should be to remove all these symbols and emblems. Militarism and Nazism are things that are internationally recognized as being worthy of resistance and opposition.

Ah yes, the Windmill of peace…until some asshole got their hands on it

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It’s not about defending N@zism or even the symbol itself.

It’s recognising hey this is a game about the Second World War. There are N@zis. We shoot them, they shoot us, or we play as them (which doesn’t mean you support their ideology).

People who complain about a WWII German symbol being in a WWII game are like those that walk into KFC and complain there’s no vegan options.

As I said before, if we take a war thunder example it’s ridiculous to me having a BF109 but then on the tail is these weird 4 black dashes like someone tried drawing the south korean flag and then gave up after a couple minutes.
The point being it is a BF109 fighter plane. Used by N@zis to shoot down Allied pilots and crews and strafe Allied soldiers. How can one be okay with that and complain about a little symbol on the tail?

And personally I think N@zi soldiers are far more offensive than that symbol in the background.

It is history. This is a game representing history. If you have a problem with that, then maybe this game isn’t for you.

I do draw a line with SS soldiers though because they are unnecessary. You can play as an Axis soldier without specifically having to be SS. We know the SS was largely responsible for most of the terrible war crimes.
Some people want Waffen-SS uniforms because they were units that existed, and that’s okay, but I do raise an eyebrow if they argue too strongly about wanting to play specifically as SS though.

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…Im saying that its just a picture/art (that doesnt even mean nazi, was just borrowed by them). 100% should be on skins.

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The only reason we can’t have historical symbols in games is because some countries are so pathethic. That instead of solving the problems of today, they are trying to fight the problems of the past, which are completely irrelevant nowadays.

That’s literally the only reason.

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Okay good.

@Adamnpee Yeah agree 100%.

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When i said peace i meant it literally. It was a symbol of peace

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When dealing with issues related to history, it is extremely important to respect history and remember the lessons it has taught. Behind many sensitive historical symbols and events lies a complex web of historical backgrounds and influences, and they are by no means “completely irrelevant.” A correct attitude towards history is of vital significance for maintaining peace and preventing the repetition of past mistakes. We should foster a proper historical perspective and objectively and impartially understand the meanings embodied by history and historical symbols. Maybe we think they are insignificant, but there are always those with ulterior motives who use them to promote evil ideas.

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