Clan Wars in Enlitsed

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

" what prevents X or Y to make their own custom games ? "
precisely that. no one and not a thing.

And these gentlemans have done so.
Clearly, there is then people intrested of it.
Unlike your HA group that is based on nothing but your trustme bro arguments.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

outside some controls and rules to enforce bad actors out.

And these gentlemans have done so ?
Whats your excuse ?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

something that we have been over in the past yet you struggle to grasp the concept of it.
but ideally, the equipment selector would have filtered some of said bad actors out.

And again, these gentlemans have done just that.
While apparently this group of yours, that is massive and significant but cant tell what weapons to use in 1940 settings.

See the differency ?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

i mean. what do you know if you haven’t even bothered to check?

Again, not exactly my burden to prove your unicorn group exists ?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

you haven’t really provided anything remotely useful in this conversation other than straw maning my argument with older views that i had.

Subject clans
“Bawwwbawwww but my entitled ass did not get HA mode for me and my 2 friends :(”

Tell me again about that useful take of yours.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

crazy concept for you, but i used a comparison.

you know, those are often used in discussions to prove a point.

And what did you prove ? That you are still salty because you failed to prove ppl intrested of HA exists or because you werent considered as worth of anything since you did not do anything ?

Unlike clans, that does exists
Does play with poor custom settings.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

again, what do you know about it?

you’re making literally assumptions with no proofs.

and it doesn’t even take long:

Cool, so why are you still butthurt ?

@ErikaKalkbrenner

but i do know that appealing to less than 5% of the playerbase is not beneficial to 95% of the people.

Im sure 95% of players benefits greatly, once we get stacks out of regular game mode to clan mode.

You know, the e-pp comparison and all of clans & regular stacks.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

the “burden of proof” is not on historical communities bucko.

but numbers of customs users opposed as clans.

Well since this is a argument of something that I wouldnt expect even from your and adams child, let me play along.

How can you prove majority of custom players arent actually clan players ?

I mean we can go even further and say I believe most people are competive because they play a game where one team wins and one loses.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

not at all.
because you being ignorant of the numbers and literal evidences between your own eyes, you can’t even comprehend or grasp the numbers disparities.

Existing active clan scene - / - Trustme bro HA scene

“bUt bUt nUMbErs”

@ErikaKalkbrenner

if people could already do that in customs, would they keep asking for said customs to improve?

maybe… people ask for stuff because that very this is not currently possible to do?

Perhaps you should ask these clan gentlemans assistance ? For some odd reason they can do just that what you fail to do.

Again, proving its somewhat worth the effort group rather than the group that cant figure what to bring to 1940 fight.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

there is no such system.

Sorry, forgot to who I was replying. Should have made a coloring book about the subject.
Anyway, that was generally about competive modes. Aka in games that has one and so on.
Didnt really think ive got to spell out that one too.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

who could have guessed that improving clans would only benefit clans.

And obviously everyone else, as then we can limit people to max of 2 in same squad in normal game mode.

E-pp groups and what else, you know.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

Nope. It makes perfect sense. You just don’t want to admit that it does.

well no it doesnt, since theres more custom outfits than smg’s.
Yet this game aint about dressing up is it ?

And fair share of so called vehicles are nothing but lazy ass additions no one asked for.
No one needs 9 different PZ3’s. Majority of them could be easily erased or foldered.

[Adamnpee]

@TUSUPOLISI69

well no it doesnt, since theres more custom outfits than smg’s.
Yet this game aint about dressing up is it ?

Nice mental gymnastics.
Once the skins is going to end up in the tech tree, let me know.

Also, just look at the ratio in which weapons and vehicles are added every major update.

@TUSUPOLISI69

And fair share of so called vehicles are nothing but lazy ass additions no one asked for.

No, here you just see how much you live in your bubble. And how much you disrespect those players who are interested in different aspects of the game than you.

@TUSUPOLISI69

No one needs 9 different PZ3’s. Majority of them could be easily erased or foldered.

Literally an argument that could be applied to a lot of infatry weapons from the perspective of someone who is primarily interested in meta and unique weapons/stuff.

The problem is that a lot of players of this game have a completely different philosophy than you when approaching the game.
For example, someone may only focus on collecting their favorite weapons and vehicles or whatever.

But the problem is when players like you just stop respecting people who have other interests. And they start aggressively pushing for changes to those people’s favorite game without taking them into account.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

Nice mental gymnastics.
Once the skins is going to end up in the tech tree, let me know.

@TUSUPOLISI69

And fair share of so called vehicles are nothing but lazy ass additions no one asked for.
No one needs 9 different PZ3’s. Majority of them could be easily erased or foldered.

In this exact case, cosmetics are about usefull as those 9 different & useless pz3 variations.

But but mental gymnastics.

@Adamnpee

Also, just look at the ratio in which weapons and vehicles are added every major update.

I kinda still fail to follow your mental gymnastic logic here.
Even if they added another 20 pz2 models to game, it doesnt magically become useful.
Or that this game would revolve around your view only, like you seem to like to think.

@Adamnpee

No, here you just see how much you live in your bubble. And how much you disrespect those players who are interested in different aspects of the game than you.

Arguably fits even better to you.

@Adamnpee

But the problem is when players like you just stop respecting people who have other interests.

Like e-pp comments and what else you earlier said ?

[Adamnpee]

@TUSUPOLISI69

In this exact case, cosmetics are about usefull as those 9 different & useless pz3 variations.

But but mental gymnastics.

From your perspective, you’re deliberately ignoring the perspective of the other players.

But I guess that’s too much for you to comprehend.

@TUSUPOLISI69

I kinda still fail to follow your mental gymnastic logic here.
Even if they added another 20 pz2 models to game, it doesnt magically become useful.
Or that this game would revolve around your view only, like you seem to like to think.

Plenty of players aren’t playing games in such a way that they try to minmax everything at all costs.

Even more so when we are discussing a casual game for casual players, who quite often have very different and irrational approaches to the game.

But I know it can be very hard for someone like you to understand.

@TUSUPOLISI69

@Adamnpee

No, here you just see how much you live in your bubble. And how much you disrespect those players who are interested in different aspects of the game than you.

Arguably fits even better to you.

Random statement without any examples = no value. At this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You should go calm down and come back to the discussion with a clear head.

[EVA_WhatsitTooya]

It’s always amusing to read some of the baseless claims about clans and EVA.

But @ErikaKalkbrenner just so you know, the update customs rules/settings/etc is part of the clan mandate as well. For us the priority was:

1. Custom game stability - DONE
2. Basic social & clan system
3. Custom game setting improvements

We did recently push for a live spectator system due to the recent and upcoming events hosted by Sjf (with the idea that it shouldn’t be too hard to implement since they already have a rudimentary version when you can no longer spawn as attacker); however, the above remains unchanged.

We are happy to support 3 coming before 2 and will gladly like and comment on your posts to boost visibility and support but you have to let us know about it.

That’s another benefit of the clan hub, it lets us organize and provide consolidated feedback with support from a group of players. It led to the Open Letter (of which many things did get implemented) and Custom Games stability being fixed. It also allows for the CM to have a group to reach out to in order to provide testing and support. When they wanted to fix the Custom Game Stability, Major asked us to play 10v10 customs and have everyone experiencing issues submit their clogs and make bug reports which helped the Devs ID whatever was going wrong and fix it.

The more people involved, the more the wishes of the community will be represented, speaking from experience when the Open Letter was being put together, it wasn’t just EVA and U45N driving the ship. We met with the people in the hub and discussed in various CC discords and with Major. Even if we disagree, that doesn’t mean someone else’s opinion isn’t valid and many things were left out of the open letter that EVA/U45N wanted because there was pushback from other parties and it was a collaborative effort.

Anyways that’s my long-winded spiel because I feel like we generally align and it’s silly to butt heads so much when we both want a lot of the same things and should collaborate on pushing DF for those changes.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

From your perspective, you’re deliberately ignoring the perspective of the other players.

Pretty much exactly what you are doing here.
But I guess with somekind of mental gymnastics you manage to justify it.

@Adamnpee

Plenty of players aren’t playing games in such a way that they try to minmax everything at all costs.

And they shouldnt be in the same game.
Clanners that actually know what to do can heavily affect the outcome of the game, hence the own game mode for them would make the regular gamemode much more pleasant.
Also, give a solid reason for limiting stacks.

@Adamnpee

Even more so when we are discussing a casual game for casual players, who quite often have very different and irrational approaches to the game.

And ? As it has been proven any game can be competive if it just has like minded people.
Apparently there is.
Sure I agree, I dont consider this as competive game, but who am I to judge a group that has proven to exists and so on.

@Adamnpee

But I know it can be very hard for someone like you to understand.

Dunno, so far these gentlemans have provided valid points why they should receive theyr own mode.
While your arguments revolve around your own views.
Very much the same thing you earlier moaned about

@Adamnpee

But the problem is when players like you just stop respecting people who have other interests.

classic adam hypocrite bs.

@Adamnpee

Random statement without any examples = no value. At this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You should go calm down and come back to the discussion with a clear head.

@Adamnpee

But the problem is when players like you just stop respecting people who have other interests.

@Adamnpee

But I know it can be very hard for someone like you to understand.

Classic adam

[Adamnpee]

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

It’s always amusing to read some of the baseless claims about clans and EVA.

Well I still have a screen saved somewhere when inmatch Gladiator randomly started insulting me to the forumtard and other similar nonsense
I didn’t even know who he was at the time. That’s why I was so intrigued, and made a screen.

Only later I found about who is and your clan.

But I get it, I’m definitely making it all up. and everyone else who’s had negative interactions with your clan is definitely making it all up too. It’s all just baseless.

[Adamnpee]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Pretty much exactly what you are doing here.
But I guess with somekind of mental gymnastics you manage to justify it.

There’s no point in even responding to this. :DD I could play you and just ctrl c and ctrl v your replies to what you have just said. Whatever.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

There’s no point in even responding to this. :DD I could play you and just ctrl c and ctrl v your replies to what you have just said. Whatever.

Even better, dont reply at all ?
So far, you haven brought anything even remotely relevant or something that could be considered as intellectual thought.

You are doing exact same things you are bitching and whining about for others.

[Valkay]

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

The more people involved, the more the wishes of the community will be represented,

Thats what the forum is for.
Clans can only represent a small fraction of the player base that plays in groups while most of Enlisted players are lone wolves, their only way to express their opinion is on the forum.
Community managers should take little to no feed back from clans due to their closed and limited nature that promotes the opinion of the higher ranking clan members, a clan’s opinion no matter how much effort they put into hearing every opinion will always be less diverse than the forum.

Making the Best Decision: Math Shows Diverse Thinkers Equal Better Results

[Adamnpee]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Even better, dont reply at all ?
So far, you haven brought anything even remotely relevant or something that could be considered as intellectual thought.

From what you’re saying, it sounds to me like I made you very frustrated. Because you failed to win this debate. (That’s not to say I won it. Rather, the debate ended before we could come to any reasonable conclusion.)

And now you’re just spamming these universal insults as you’ve run out of arguments.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

From what you’re saying, it sounds to me like I made you very frustrated.

@Adamnpee

Because you failed to win this debate.

There was no debate to win.
You are butthurt, because some clanner once insulted you. So none clanner opinions can be taken seriously due to such childish insults.

And here you are spewing same absolute passive agressive insult BS you moan the clanners do.

Everything you whine about, you do in next sentence yourself.

@Adamnpee

And now you’re just spamming these universal insults as you’ve run out of arguments.

@Adamnpee

There’s no point in even responding to this. :DD I could play you and just ctrl c and ctrl v your replies to what you have just said. Whatever.

[EVA_WhatsitTooya]

Him living rent free in your head will never stop being funny. He’s already owned up to calling you fodder and nobody is denying that. But you make plenty of other baseless accusations which have us laughing. Plus your general contrarian activities are amusing. Honestly you’d fit right in

[Adamnpee]

Do you know how many people have come to insult me on this forum just because they couldn’t control their emotions. Just because they interpreted my arguments as some sort of passive aggression.

And did I take these things to heart? No, Because that’s the average level of internet debate between people who have different opinions today.

No, that’s a completely different case. I am using it as example because it’s completely inconsistent with how the dude is trying to present himself
As it was in a completely unprovoked situation where I had no idea who he even was.

To only prove this:

@ErikaKalkbrenner

and most of the time when you call them out " b-b-but it’s for the friendship!!11! "

despite being the most obnoxious people.

And that’s really not the reason I have a problem with this dude.
What bothers me is that he wants to transform this game into something different, something that I personally don’t like. That’s the reason.
And if you don’t get it by now, I guess there’s no helping you. (It’s funny that you’re insulting someone’s intelligence.)

Plus, the most utterly bizarre part of this whole thing is that you most likely don’t even really know why you’re debating me. And what you’re actually trying to accomplish besides opposing me.

So no conclusion was ever possible here. That’s all.

[EVA_WhatsitTooya]

I agree more voices are better but you need some sort of organization. There are many great ideas here that go nowhere because they get drowned out by stupid posts or derailed which gets them ignored. When the clans make a post, we make sure to stay on topic and present a united front which has helped us get our ideas through.

If only you realized how many successful forum posts that end up get pushed live were coordinated off the forums first. Not every clan member has a tag in their name

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Adamnpee

Do you know how many people have come to insult me on this forum just because they couldn’t control their emotions. Just because they interpreted my arguments as some sort of passive aggression.

Why would I even care ? Most just ignores you since you have nothing of value to bring to conversation.

@Adamnpee

And did I take these things to heart?

Thats kind of your only argument here, someone insulted you and thus theyr suggestion is not valid or something.
Note, theyr.

[Valkay]

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

There are many great ideas here that go nowhere because they get drowned out by stupid posts

CMs and helpers read all suggestions so none of the suggestions are “lost”, if you mean lack of support than maybe that is because it either wasnt such a great idea or the creator failed in communicating his idea (happened to me too).

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

Not every clan member has a tag in their name

I already noticed, the most well known clan shenanigan was definetiely the MG39 blunder.

@EVA_WhatsitTooya

If only you realized how many successful forum posts that end up get pushed

I fail to see how its a good thing to bring 10-20 people that does not read the forum on their own, just to like your ideas. That will only “inflate” the worth of likes given by players that are actually active.

[EVA_Gladitor]

What evidence is there of this? Asking clan members to support posts for game changes through likes/comments somehow equates abusing the flagging system?

Your deductive abilities are truly phenomenal.

Also, it’s quite clear you did take my one insult what, a year and some change ago, to heart, because you’ve been malding over it ever since. And produced some peak copypasta material as well.

[EVA_Gladitor]

What was the MG39 Blunder?

@Valkay

I fail to see how its a good thing to bring 10-20 people that does not read the forum on their own, just to like your ideas. That will only “inflate” the worth of likes given by players that are actually active.

If they have the same opinion then there isn’t any issue in supporting posts that are in line with that. Effective change comes from mobilized effort, not just screaming into the void.