Right…
Rather well put from you. Ill leave it to that for now.
considering that boosters ( of any kind ) negates the effect,
i honestly do not see how is it really a penalty to begin with.
well, i can’t say per certain why that is the case.
but many factors plays in.
… and desertion is probably the biggest one.
otherwise, why make penalties in the first place.
just as an " effe you in particular " ?
i don’t buy it.
… because other games do not consider a vaste amount of equipment and usually, it’s balanced one way or another.
there are no limits in enlisted.
meaning, how could you realistically make an actual MM beased on said criteria.
current one is fine even though does not come without flaws.
which anyone is more than welcome to address.
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skill based
yeah right. good luck finding a same amount of people with the same equipment and skills -
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never said it’s illegal.
it’s just ill advise to quit.
( or rather… a half attempt at it )
hence, if you continue to desert, you’ll run into some sort of penalties.
they offered the ability to play with other randoms in a group.
so that’s at least an attempt.
but maybe next year we’ll get said distinction between groups and stacks.
unbalanced team, yeah, rare thing that never happens in 90% of the games.
truly unfair.
well, that’s how most premium “works”…
realistically, what growth are we speaking of.
i don’t see any new player buying expensive premium pack.
at this point, whoever plays this game is under some sort of cult.
or, cost sunk fallacy.
i mean, i haven’t saw any numbers or list provided by developers.
so, the more or less logic thing to do, is to keep tight the only players you have.
i guess it could sort of work both ways.
aka, leaving because they do not like penalties.
but is that really a " loss " if that said person leaves multiple matches just to cherry picks the ones he/she prefers?
i’d argue not.
not sure if you are trying to point out that when i say it’s a plague, and also i don’t honestly care, is somehow… contradditory ?
but if that’s the case, no.
i honestly do not care. matter of fact, i mostly play alone and only touch the basic matchmaker whenever there’s an event going on.
bad match with horrible team mates? oh no.
proceed to finish it and move to another match.
because guess what, it was just one match.
people are allergic to any singular or mild uncomfort and find any ways to whine and blaime something else when they are also part of the problem.
but maybe hot opinion i guess.
because effe accountability or looking for a slight challenge.
yes, and no.
countless of matches could have been won if people stayed.
both on mine, or the enemy team.
matches that would have been lost were won because those who remained actually got their shit together.
not always rare.
sometimes it really pays off to just remain and do your best in worst situations.
but no.
we leave a stomp rofl for another where the stomp rofl is done on the enemy.
… and then complain ? = victory ?
weird formula indeed.
well no shit.
it’s not actually a real penality.
just a bearable minor inconvenience which can be circled around.
it is bad.
but we ain’t the one running this ship.
i usually am 
but why should i feel emapthy for those who has none and are for the most part, egotistic people.
fight fire with fire i guess.
i mean.
considering that i am someone who plays occasionally 10 match per week and kinda irregularly and managed to make 32 fully historical made presets + default squads with everything upgraded etc,
i do think it’s not that hard to gain silver.
i can tell you how to not get it though, by keep leaving matches
not pathetic, just boring, not gonna lie.
but that’s beside the point.
i don’t see why you should be ruining other’s hobbies.
it’s like, you don’t show up at a golf match and then start playing like an idiot just to leave and expect to be completely fine the next time you show up.
of course sooner or later the owner will kick you out.
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Okay, how does + -30% XP earning magically changes everything?
interesting you say that.
because usually the people arguing against penalties favors " incentive " the most.
yet can’t quite answer:
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why should they ?
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what would it really change ?
because it all boils down to selfish reasons.
which those who asks for penalties don’t do it for themselves .
gods forbid people should finish what they started and / or others gets affected by someone else decisions without their actual control.
( P.s. apparently i have to say it again, because it becomes some sort of conflict of interest when arguing for something that doesn’t personally benefit me, but no, again, i couldn’t care less. But for the game it self, i don’t see how lack of penalties can be helpful for the health of matches and the whole state of the game. hell, technically it benefits me the most on my mods having or not penalties. doesn’t bother me the slightest )
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Yeah proper map selection is needed, just like other game, if sirver is -50% for deserter and squad lock after that, i will leave the game, i play enlisted because i love moscow map. why whould i play a game if iam not having fun, i play game after work so i can have fun and fulfill my gaming desire, not for playing in the map that i dont want and get penalties because i leave from a map that i dont want to play to. if they want to penalties people for desert then they need to make map selection, " a game has rule" what a shit, game has rule and game should have option for player to choose too. no wonder enlisted is not popular after all years.
90% of games have penalties AND rules for a reason .
but sure.
keep thinking about " muh reasons ".
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yeah but a lot of game have proper map selection, i dont mind penalties as long as we have proper map selection, Other game penalties people for leaving because they have proper map selection so people can play in the map they like, so there is no reason for people to leave because of the map. unless they only want to always win and have a good team, then the leaver deserve to be punish.
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And as we all know, newbies and F2P practically swim in them like we do.
Oh, they dont? Let them have cake.
Because making a working MM and actual map filters is harder than adding a stupid number, and why try that in Enlisted when even War Thunder doesn’t have it?
Symptone-fighting is easier than fighting causes, this is a common Enlisted practice and supported by whales with Stockholme syndrome or who make the French monarchy look humble by comparison.
I fail to see how that plays out.
The equipment only matters what number they have for battle rating. Everything else is not important for MM. You dont even need to make separate people by “skill”, but simply make the teams more mixed and do the same for stacks.
There are already plenty of stats in scoreboarda alone, so might as well do something with that.
Dunno, leaving my exaggeration aside, it is either stated as a violation or not.
And it is not stated as far as I am concerned.
And where does it say this is a fixed rule you agreed on in TOS?
Yeah Absolutely the same as playing in pre-made EVA stacks that probably have voice communication.
But I forgot, if it doesnt happen to you means that it doesnt happen elsewhere.
Except even premium doesn’t fix that.
Yeah No wonder that people who dont stay long dont consoom product.
To who?
"I dont care about Jews, but the Jewish culture and race is a plague, and if some Jew “leaves, I dont consider it a great loss”.
Yeah, sure. Whatever.
Yeah Sure. You could have caught the dragon if Skillnoob69 with 1-10 K/D and zero rallies built stayed. And if team could have won if Obermann15 stayed, well it doesn’t really sound like a balanced team to begin with.
You mean by making people not play the game/ squads? So the rich just switch to another faction or squads while the poor can suffer?
That will teach them.
And just nodding won’t help either.
Dunno, again I see how much you not care about the Jews err deserters.
But funny that it is not egoistic to force people how you want them to play.
Joined five years ago and at least bought one “DLC”…
It is not that hard, guys. Trust me. I am relatable.
No, only by playing for five years and consoom product.
Why do you ruin their hobby then?
90% of games have map filter and often at least try to balance MM .
but sure
keep thinking about " muh reasons ".
Just suspend or ban people for deserting, that will stop it. 
No, that would just kill the player base, but people wouldn’t have to worry about deserters any longer since I don’t believe Bots intentionally desert. Penalty wise, that is the only fix, short of “actually fixing the reasons people desert in the first place”. We can offer up penalties all day long, but penalizing without actually fixing the problem is ridiculous.
I keep posting this meme in conjunction with all these deserter posts, but apparently no one understands it.
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And in enlisted if a player leave, it will change with new player or a bot, where the bot is better then a lot of player tho, because they go to objective and not camping and lately they become good at shooting, so there is no downside for people that stay from player leaving, and in other game if player leave or afk there is no new people or bot to change it because its already cap. thats why they get penalties because now they have less player and its downside
Errrm. Im pretty sure I said half the reasons for these desertions are to save stats. I have not seen anything on this particular post about suspending or banning in any seriousness; Could be wrong with this forum. I myself wouldn’t go for that extreme.
As is, and it seems to be a repeat for me to type. This current desertion function is a joke; And so is that preferential map system. They would do well implementing them better. Or just remove them.
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Correct, I always throw that out there as a joke, however, in reality, short of those, no penalty is going to keep people from deserting.
As far as the reason’s people desert, I agree with you, people desert to save their stats, so I have always been in favor of ending the rank system and eliminate the win loss percentage as these are the reason some people desert. They make it obvious when they are battle hero’s, yet apparently chose to desert shortly before the game ended so they could didn’t take a hit to their rank or percentage, but still got silver and tech tree research credit.
The other reason is shitty game play. Why? I think a lot of times it’s because they are solo players being dumped in a match against a group where they get slaughtered. So I have been pleading for a “SOLO PLAYER ONLY” option box, which would be placed next to the “JOIN ANY FACTION” box which a solo player (if he chooses) can select which would insure he is only playing against other solo players. Those who don’t care can skip it and take their chances like we currently do as it would change nothing. However, getting the groups out of most solo players hair would IMOP create less one sided seal clubbings. Implement these, and if desertion does not drop significantly, then concentrate on penalties. But to be honest, if there is no rank or % to worry about, and you don’t have to tangle with groups, what would be the point of deserting? However, some will always desert, the goal should be to cut it down.
sounds to me all the more reasons to not leave then.
but really. it doesn’t really penalize them that much.
i’m not the one making threads regarding penalties though.
i am merely providing actual points of arguments in favor.
… even if it doesn’t benefit me.
because custom games have no penalties
… and modded missions gives 0 exp so…
well, apparently it is.
and in order to tackle an issue that is considered major, to a point where they had to actually do something about it, they opted for silver.
which i guess it’s better than nothing.
but still far from being ideal.
that’s rich.
but no.
it’s none of that.
i can assure you.
simply put,
start a match > people starts leaving > someone who joines when the first point is being taken or else, Leaves > additional people leaving > rofl stomp.
all of that = bad
because effectively people could leave with no consequences.
and those who remained were ultimately the ones who were effed the most.
i wouldn’t consider enlisted a sport, but i can see why you would want to put a stop to that.
working MM or map filters are just half measures to make the whiners leave less.
but sounds to kinda anyone that they will desert regardless, and most of the time wouldn’t settle for just X or Y.
it does, because usually game plays on a leveled plain field.
enlisted is not like that.
that i can get behind.
question is, will they do it.
so far, doesn’t seem so.
although they did provided the " random team ".
so there is that.
rather useless, inaccurate and serves kinda no one.
i mean.
it doesn’t need to be written or said somewhere.
as they say, action speaks louder than words.
and when they first announced penalties ( almost… a year ago) this is what they delivered.
so, you can leave all you want.
just don’t expect that it’s going to be " fine ".
it doesn’t need to be said.
but it’s called… common sense ?
i’m sure you can figure it out.
never said it’s perfect, but it is there.
sometimes a pourly planned and executed plan beats a well thought out one introduced years later.
or… that’s how they seem to be doing things.
or, " fix it in post ".
that wasn’t my point.
it should ?
well, i can pretty much see why it wouldn’t.
anyone.
or rather, the " echo system".
considering that i mostly play custom games and mods while spending most of the free time available in the editor, yes.
it doesn’t bother me in the slightest, it doesn’t affect me, and i couldn’t care less.
but, the base game is what allows this alternative fairy tale of mine to continue.
hence why i can see and understand why they took this approach.
inspite of what i think, or what you think.
enlisted cannot afford to let desertion continue any further.
because it makes the experience negative for everyone.
and nitpicks of few on why somehow they should only play moscow or else should really matter in the grand scheme of things.
so yeah. you tell me what’s innit for me.
i’m sure penalties ( or lack there of ) ruins completely my experience.
" war is not fair ".
remember the words of the fox? he wasn’t wrong after all.
and total balance in enlisted is a big fairy tale.
especially not after the massive br changes and introduction to the allies ( br 2 tommy guns? and better 5 round rifles? … okay )
seems clear to me that enlisted can only be enjoyed throguh customs, or buy your way to compete in the ever going arms race.
indeed.
finishing a bad match just to get into another isn’t so bad as you make it out to be.
i mean.
we’ll see if they will improve it, or remove it.
so far though, seems here to stay.
it’s called the norm ?
and as much you really want to convice your self… or perhaps me, i already told you.
i honestly don’t care. desertion doesn’t affect me. much less few people staying in matches.
i’m more providing point on why was introduced in the first place.
and to be honest. most of those in favor of desertion don’t bring many good points beside " it’s wrong ".
anyway, it’s called the norm because actions have consequences.
as much enlisted is anyone’s playground in a sandbox manner.
you are only allow to do whatever you want to a point.
because serves no one but themselves to just desert.
and in the grand scheme of things, i can see why penalties were made in the first place.
fun fact, i did bought stalingrad but not because of it’s perks.
didn’t made lots of silver either with it.
if anything, i guess i could brag regarding a panzer IV G, an overtiered smg that is worse than what it’s supposed to be, and a breda for the soviets.
but i am not one for “shows off”.
relatable or not.
you do gain silver by practically just placing rallies and kill a bunch of people even if you are not top on the leader board.
it’s called grind.
the same thing gaijin company is known for.
and now you act surprised?
except you don’t have to play 5 years 
you don’t need 34 HA presets to compete.
because leaving matches that just suits your own liking is not a hobby?
unironically bots are probably better than deserters.
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they stay on points
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they never leave
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they build rallies, ammo points and drop medkit boxes
but i am biased towards pve.
so i guess that’s in my interest.
penalizing is partially solving the actual problem.
because no one leaves except a specific amount of players.
which often cherry picks matches, or are butt hurt to a mission.
and apparently is too much to ask to play it for more or less 15 mins ?.
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Yeah Sure, people always write so much if they dont care about the Jews.
way to cope out of a conversation i guess.
but;
so… i guess you’ll have to convince your self.
not me.
Who would want to stay and suffer with a bad team if there is only punishment without reward? My opinion is to increase the profits of the top 3 players on the losing side to 140%, otherwise it would be better to be a deserter!
Random joining is a good choice, but now we should allow players who work hard to win to enjoy similar treatment.
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Dunno, how can you argue with someone who doesn’t care about the topic and yet still argues about the topic?
because the ones who are in favor of desertion either provides some half baked suggestions/solutions. or don’t have good points to begin with. ( op on the other hand, is actually trying )
so, at the end of the day as it goes for me, they can simply remove these penalties or don’t.
i am merely pointing out the ineffectiveness of current penalties.
plus, apparently had to explain why such penalties were introduced in the first place.