It will never happen. Because reasons.
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In my opinion, FG-42 should not cause too much damage to the balance by itself. Just like M2 in the United States, it has poor stability and cannot be a substitute for submachine guns. AVT and AVS in the Soviet Union also have stability problems and are limited by the amount of ammunition carried. However, the problem is that FG-42 should have problems similar to AVT or M2, but why doesn’t it? Even though its ammunition is not enough, why is this infantry weapons the only one with such excellent stability? This is obviously a question of balance. I can’t understand why it has to be rolled back after the previous modification. Germany already has MP43 and MG42, which are excellent enough weapons. Why should such equipment be better?Actually, FG-42 is not a big problem, but FG-422 is very scary.
I did admit earlier in the thread that the FG-42 isn’t the game-breaking thing I thought it was when Normandy was new, but here’s the rub.
The M2 carbine is absolutely just a different SMG. Slightly harder hitting, middling RoF, slightly higher recoil. It’s not good at distance, lust like an SMG, but to be really good it needs to be max upgrades + vertical recoil perk.
The FG-42 isn’t comparible to SMGs on an even field. It does semi-auto rifle damage, so it’s got a lower (generally) time-to-kill than the Carbine or SMGs, relatively low recoil (as it should, it’s miraculously flat to shoot IRL) and at max upgrades, is moderately controlable in automatic, hits like a rifle at distance in semi-auto, and carries more ammo than any of the other infantry rifles.
The AVT/AVS are, at their core, infantry rifles with a mostly-useless fun switch, only really benefitting from increase ammo capacity, and becoming slightly better in full-auto if you max them out and have the vertical recoil perk.
I’d say that any of the mentioned guns being general infantry weapons is a problem.
That’s a fair opinion to have. I’m also not a fan of the autoweapon creep in Moscow, Normandy, Berlin, and Stalingrad. It’s not as much a problem in Tunisia or Pacific(yet.) Limiting automatic weapons for troopers would also go a long way toward reducing that spam, which I’m in favor of.
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Will not happen.
I was thinking more along the lines of just a class that you can only have 1 of in a squad so you don’t have 6 guys with FGs like you see now
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Because they’re fighting Japan. If the rosters were Germany and Japan the FG-42 would probably be an LMG.
I think a better solution might be to just restrict it to rifleman. Yes, it would still be possible to roll 9 of them in a squad, but it would come at the cost of all other utility.
That’s entirely untrue, a maxed out AVT with perks is nearly FG-42 II tier.
So, the AVT-40, with max upgrades, on a soldier with exactly the right perks, is almost as good as a baseline FG-42 on a fresh soldier?
I’m missing how these are comparable.
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The actual stock avt40 got buffed in control after stalingrad release for match the mkb, and now is actually at the same level of the fg42II even withaut perk or upgrade
On the other hand
Both fg42 got a little nerfed in in control and visual recoi, so there is no reason anymore to complain about the fg42
Do y'all mean that this max AVT-40 in Berlin, which would have 52/32 with the vertical recoil perk
Or this AVT-40 in Stalingrad, with the same stats
Is almost as good as this FG-42 in Normandy, 32/19 with perk
Or these rifles in Berlin, 37/22 and 32/10
Or this MKb 42(H) in Stalingrad, 22/10?
I’m lost, either I’m missing something or I’m being trolled hard, because those numbers don’t add. I don’t know where @Euthymia07 got 25/10 from
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Hidden recoil multiplayer, and you can notice that stats number are busted using her
Why do we even have weapon stats at this point? Dispersion is not displayed at all, recoil has hidden moddifiers, just remove the weapon stats as they are more and more meaningless.
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Hidden doesn’t help me. Show me where that information is stated, beyond some randos on the forums. Was it datamined? By who? Posted when and where? Otherwise I have to take your word or trust the numbers I can see.
If that’s the case, the AVT is still limited in stalingrad by its magazine (half of what it’s competing against) and in berlin. Ammo capacity matters, but I’ll grant it’s a closer competition if this hidden multiplier actually exists, and if it does, I’m honestly pretty upset that it’s hidden. If they’re going to balance a thing, have the balls to show it in the stats.
By him @Euthymia07 posted here a lot of time and on the docs document, wo can ask the link to him
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That’d be cool. @Euthymia07, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong, either way I’d appreciate a peek at the hidden numbers.
Thanks for the numbers. Is all this datamined from the game files?
How about you actually use the weapon instead of bitching on the forum about things you aren’t even familiar with.
So is the BAR. Yet one is is a gunner gun and the other one not.
I’m fucking working on it, broseph, chill. The ones i’ve picked up off dead germans in both campaigns have been better, in my limited experience, than the AVT-40, and not by a little.