Can we juice up MP40 somehow? Its too iconic to be overshadowed by other BR2 guns

[Veekay45]

@EVA_Evo

Winning or at the least performing well earn you more income, so its natural that people want to use the best items

And that’s why it’s concerning and really unfortunate that WW2 gear in this “WW2 game” is often overshadowed by stuff that never even saw the light of day in WW2 like Fedorov 1912 or Hyde 44.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@Veekay45

And that’s why it’s concerning and really unfortunate that WW2 gear in this “WW2 game” is often overshadowed by stuff that never even saw the light of day in WW2 like Fedorov 1912 or Hyde 44.

wouldn’t say unfortunate nor concerning given it’s done by design.
and gameplay reasons.

but i guess we’ll have to go through with this 10000 more replies with you, don’t we.

[EVA_Evo]

There are plenty of iconic ww2 weapons that are the best option in their class for each faction

Springfield 1903 USMC in BR1, Lee Enfield in BR2, M1 Garand in BR3
Thompson and Owen are good
Kar98K is a fantastic BR1 rifle with versions that are viable in BR2
PPSh-41 box is great in BR3, as is the SVT-38
The BAR is an incredible weapon in BR3 for machine gun

These are all iconic weapons that are not overshadowed, in fact these are the guns of WW2

And its not even like the MP40 is unusable, so I dont know what your point is

[Dregomz]

MP40 and MP38 belong at BR1 with Sten mk2 and Austen that recently got downtiered.

BSA Welgun is MP40 but better as it has better dispersion, visual recoil and minimal recoil direction so gun is more predictive while Mp40 bounces all over the target.

Ofc they could buff it by a ton but it won’t be as good as M38/42 or especially Suomi no matter how you buff it. Firerrate is just too low with recent power creep of M1A1 and literally any soviet smg.

Submachine Guns	Actual Recoil
Weapon Name	Vertical	Horizontal	Dispersion	Visual Recoil	Recoil Dir
BSA Welgun	11	3	0.65	1.1	0.1
MP 40	8	3	0.7	1.6	0.35

[VoyoMayPL]

@EVA_Gladitor

Dispersion itself is not a quantifiable metric that can be added into an equation for time to kill

Actually it is quantifiable.
Dispersion is essentially an angle of a cone (if I remember correctly). So you can calculate the proportion of gun with more dispersion / gun with less dispersion (very simplified formula for visualization only) and use it as a metric of how many more bullets on average the former has to shoot to hit the same area as the later.

I guess euthy should confirm the assumptions on how dispersion works as I may miss remember it.

[GeneralBrus]

@VoyoMayPL

So you can calculate the proportion of gun with more dispersion / gun with less dispersion (very simplified formula for visualization only) and use it as a metric of how many more bullets on average the former has to shoot to hit the same area as the later.

Actually amazing analysis.

We literally could create a weapons spreadsheet for different ranges - spoiler fast rate of fire guns are often just as accurate as slow rate of fire guns, and as such are more effective at close AND longer ranges, which is completely counter intuitive.

Slow rate of fire guns cant simply have slightly less recoil than fast shooting guns - dispersion is much more impactful than recoil.

[VoyoMayPL]

@GeneralBrus

We literally could create a weapons spreadsheet for different ranges

There is a website that does this already. Sadly I forgot the name

@GeneralBrus

dispersion is much more impactful than recoil

Recoil is a completely different story as it’s very dependent on user’s skill, probably the most out of all gun stats.
Meanwhile dispersion is “just” statistics.

[Gen_Ziedrich]

@Veekay45

Many German-main-sweatlords will use Armaguerra over K98k on BR2 and Volkssturm’s VG 1-5 over G-41 on BR3.

Nice to know I’m not a sweatlord then. Fuck using that italian shit.
And I prefer the higher capacity of the VG 1-5 than the gewehr 41, if it’s gonna take two shots either way then I want higher capacity.

[Cringemacht]

I use exclusively Mosin VPGS and Kar98k GGP and Type 99 ATGL