except if you were looking closely at the kill feed it shows that i only got the kill because that pilot suicided
and why do you think the pilot suicided? it’s because he knows the plane is going down so bad, you probably black damage like 3/5 of the plane, he ain’t gonna waste any time going down.
or it could be the fact that i was going for another gun run and it was clear that he wasn’t going to get away in other words he wanted to go out on his term though having 6 .50s helps sometimes
That’s 200 rounds PER GUN - he has 6 guns - about 1200 rounds total!
And people suicide out once they think there’s more benefit respawning - you may or may not be totally wrecked - but without seeing hte damage you don’t get to conclusively say the plane is going down “bad” - lots of 188 drivers get out as soon as you get a few hits on their tail because they can’t be botherd waiting for hte damage to mount up.
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Well that’s definitely not me. I like to tank damage when i fly the Ju 188, oh wait… no, i don’t take damage, i dodge the goddamn bullets by yanking my plane left to right like a tie fighter and i try to kill the planes behind me by going low and dropping bombs. Maybe i’m different than most Ju 188 pilots and so i see it different. But yeah, the point being, i still don’t believe that 50 cals hardly take down planes. But with the videos i shown, it should be clear that the damage model sucks for some reason even though it’s like taken directly from War Thunder (and so is a little for tanks but i don’t really mind about it). Hopefully the devs would do something about this soon.
It isn’t really taken direct from WT tho - 'cos it definitely is NOT WT damage - for tanks or planes!
And yeah - it needs fixing.
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I think it is WT damage, i think they just make the rounds supposedly do less damage to make it fair. I mean, come on, you don’t land on airfield to resupply, you just fly to a point not far from you. Gives it the battlefield 5 feeling where you need a lotta more bullets to take down planes than normal, same for Enlisted except it has the damage model and it needs more bullets to damage it than normal to make it fair. But i supposed they messed the code up or something
We should consider the possibility that planes and vehicles DM may have been taken from WT years ago when Enlisted development was starting from scratch, then neglected due to the focus being on developing infantry combat (thus missing out the updates WT made in the meantime), eventually ending up with an (old) DM system originally intended to handle (old) bullets and shells mechanics of WT, which now instead has to deal with bullets and shells mechanics that are being fine-tuned for Enlisted, so possibly different than in WT.
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That’s post hoc rationalisation and I don’t buy it.
I think they’ve just implemented it badly - whatever it is.
Now that I think about it, do planes in Enlisted EVER lose chunks? Even when crashing?
Yeah - I’ve actually shot off a wing (maybe - might have been another tail) and a tail in the last week - I was quite surpprised 1st time I saw it, but then later same day shot off a tail definitely - Soviet Il-2 23mm in Berlin vs 410 both times.
Ok, this is further proof of DM sharing its roots with WT.
On the other hand, in WT DM there are so many variables with both the DM itself (“HP” of single components, vulnerability to different damage types, whether or not a component stops bullets/shrapnel, effects on performances and aerodynamics etc.) and ammo effectiveness (kinetic damage values, perforation, explosive mass, range of explosion, range of shrapnel, number of shrapnel, direction of fragments, chance to set on fire etc.) that no wonder if by missing/tweaking even just a value or two the overall game experience of shooting planes varies a lot in terms of perceived results.
Or just reduce plane HP. AA should also be able to take them down faster.
Meh.
Best way to down a plane is what a fighter did to my poor IL. He unloaded alot of lead in my tail… but to be certain, flew right over me… then slamed down, taking out my propeller! He then didn’t bother anymore and went away.
On another note, flying without engines or propellers is very relaxing. My lil pilot could contemplate the futility of his own existence while very quietly gliding down to his doom.
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which is why he was sentence to execution via firing squad
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It’s funny because German planes work fine for me across the board
Maybe its your dogshit shot placement
Okay with the insults there pal, but what the hell do you mean “dogsh*t” shot placements? you’re gonna tell me to shoot the wings, the engines? I’ve tried that but shooting the wings accurately is hard and planes keep rolling over and over trying to dodge my shots (because why won’t they?) and shooting the wings is hard if they keep doing that. I’m not very good in Enlisted, but I consider myself above average. How do you suggest me to shoot down planes if things in the video I’ve shown happen?
Even if you are very good at shooting planes with like 90% of your bullets hit, I’ll admit that you’re a good Enlisted player, but saying that my shot placement is “bullsh*t” is ludicrous of you, the first video is not by me and was by someone else who sent it in the Enlisted Discord. That many shots would’ve smeared off the tail of the IL-2, (hell it’ll even take 8% of the bullets to shoot it down in War Thunder). Plus the aiming rectile glitched out and I had to use my war thunder SB instincts to get a good shot at it. I don’t know why German planes work fine for you across the board, maybe you are really good at shooting, wait no… not really good… f**king perfect at shooting if you are or the game just went pillow soft on you like a muppet doll. It’s hard for me to shoot down planes with German fighters in Normandy, my choice is the Bf 110 where the 30mm and 37mm actually does a fair and logical amount of damage for this game or using bombs and utilize the tactic that exist in War Thunder. And i don’t wanna fly the Bf 110 because it is classified as an attacker and if i fly it, someone in my team with a Ju 188 can’t fly it and Ju 188 can really help the match for my team. I’m just waiting here until the devs fixes the damage model so that the German 20mm in Enlisted can shine like in War Thunder. I will expect a reply in 2 days. What the hell do you suggest me to do, “git gud”? if that’s your answer then i don’t know how to “git gud” at this situation, trying to land all my shot on one specific part of a plane that is rolling around like a hot worm is me smashing my mouse and keyboard keys.
Nah I was mostly going on about the first video and wasn’t very verbose about it.
Dumping into the tail used to cut the tail control, but now it’s just a damage sink.
With that A-20 you could have focused and engine down, but fuck knows if it would have done anything.
And I have to apologize since you actually did land most of your hits, whether they did damage or not.
I’m sorry
Oh Christ, now that’s a relief to hear from you. Thank you for understanding. I’m just gonna fly the Ju 188 and/or drive tanks now until i hear news of the damage model fix.