This is pretty much exactly why people speak of effective range which is the range where you can actually hit your target reliably.
Well then that range changes with different shotguns and ammo.
And that doesnât change the fact that it will kill and even if it is not guaranteed there is a chance to get a hit at that distance, just like it used to be before the nerf.
well il wait, pick your shotgun & buckshot that has effective range of 100m.
If your realistic chance of hitting something at 100m is same as by being hit meteorite im quite sure you just havent tried enough to hit at that 100m target.
This is why I want multiple ammo types. Not in combat but to choose for the soldier.
When you start with stuff like that, is pretty much obvious that you ainât telling the truth.
Anyways here it is 00 buck comming out of a short barrel semiautomatic shotgun at a 100 yards.
Will it hit you with enough force to kill ? Yes.
Will enough pellets land in place to kill using a not worse case scenario, but near to it shotgun?. Yes.
Will you get much tighter pattern out of a long barrel shotgun, even without a choke?. Of course yes.
Is it extremely hard for any single pellet to hit at that distance?. No, as seen there even they got 4 hits on the human size target out of 3 shells with a short barrel shotgun, including a headshot.
Where the key here is hits out of a a gun which has a far larger spread that the the ToZ-B.
So it is still very deadly
have the shotguns been buffed yet ?
2 months later
What about now ?
So hereâs the thing, the Germans issued Birdshot and Slugs with the Drilling, the US issued 00 Buckshot for itâs shotguns.
The Soviets didnât issue shotguns so it would really be whatever they could find.
So if we want to be ârealisticâ the birdshot should have inferior range and damage but more projectiles, slugs should have high damage good range and one projectile, and buckshot should be baseline, so average damage/range/projectiles
So to put it more shortly.
Range: Slug>Buckshot>birdshot
Projectile Damage: Slug>Buckshot>Birdshot
Projectile Count: Birdshot>Buckshot>Slug
its pretty much direct quote from your first link as well as mention that it took 10-12 shells to get 3 hits to gelatin at that range.
Depends quite alot where it hits. Even .22LR can kill at that range if your lucky as getting hit by meteorite.
How ever the toz-b we are speaking of here is using the bird shot according to caliber.
If we use the old rule inch per yard spreading your looking at quite a massive pattern.
Sure if the barrel is 50m long. Other than that the spread is pretty much equal at 100m. Shotgun pellets doesnt behave like bullets from rifled guns.
Which is quite contradictory with your first link, where they spent 10-12 shells to get 3 hits.
Then you probably can find a video of toz-b actually having smaller spread than modern choked shotgun.
The difference is the barrel length a saiga 12k is 430mm, the shotgun in the first post has a barrel lenght of 350mm, and the toz b, should have a barrel lenght of 710mm or 600mm.
If anything it proves how much barrel length affects accuracy in shotguns
customized barrel was used for the test.
^ first link.
seems the saiga as well is fitted fit modern choke.
As well as modern shells which probably are the biggest factor here.
still waiting same or even better results from toz-b.
and here we are missing the target entirely at 60yard.
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Are you confusing the barrel thread cap with a choke?.
That saiga has no muzzle device.
and rifle bullets
The rifle bullets issued would be a warcrime to use on humans.
Remember it was made for downed pilots not combat primarily.
sorta like how gas and flamthrowers are a warcrime
Using flamethrowers on humans became a Warcrime after 1981 The bullets the Drilling used were made a Warcrime after 1899. So if are are staying authentic to history the Drilling should not be firing rifle shots.
how so?
Because they were soft pointed designed to expand in the body, again these were for killing dangerous animals if a pilot was shot down.
These were made illegal in the 1899 Hauge Convention.
hollow points also expand when they hit.
Yes, and using hollow points against enemy combatants is a war crime, it is why no military uses them for combat units, you might see them in civil defense units or guards expected to have to deal with civilians.
They donât need a âbuffâ, devs need to revert the nerfs done to them ages ago. They were perfect.
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