Buff Gewehr 41 and Type 4 reload speed

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The rifles in question

I’m sure we’re all familiar with these BR III (Type 4 previously BR IV, which is even worse) rifles. They are the only two (tech tree) semi auto guns in the game with a 2-stripper clip reload. This makes for some really long reloads (both around the 4 second mark).

Now of course you could equip the faster reload perk, but that would only work on something like a Lee Enfield No.4 (I will mention it later), where it’s a bolt action and has 2 stripper clip reloads. The Gewehr 41 and Type 4 on the other hand are semi autos with disruptive recoil (perhaps this could be a second post), so all weapon perk points are instead equipped on vertical recoil reduction.

Gewehr 41

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Type 4

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Their contemporaries

Now, the story is a lot different when it comes to the SVT 38 and M1 Garand. They are both BR III semi autos, but have substantially shorter reloads. The M1 Garand also reloads via stripper clip, but instead of using two 5 round clips, it reloads from a single 8 round clip. This cuts down reload to only 2.8 seconds, a 1.2 second difference with the Gewehr 41 and Type Otsu.

It also fires a much harder hitting round, and has slightly easier recoil. The SVT 38 on the other hand, is a whole different beast. Lowest horizontal recoil (the most important for follow shots), easiest to use sights, and least deviation (in practice). That’s even ignoring the fact that it’s the only mag loaded semi auto in BR III. That cuts its reload speed down to a mere 2.6 seconds. A whopping 1.4 second difference.

SVT 38

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M1 Garand

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Some other interesting rifles

This wouldn’t be a complete analysis without some BR II guns. These two weapons stuck out to me for a couple of reasons. The Lee Enfield No.4 is a 2 clip bolt action, and the Armaguerra is a 6 round clip reloader. Excluding all other stats other than reload speed, these are both faster than the Gewehr 41 and Type 4. Now, of course a 6 round clip should reload faster than two 5 round clips, but not really…

The Lee Enfield No.4 reloads the exact same way as the Gewehr 41 and Type 4, however, reloads 0.2 seconds faster. While (maybe) not a noticeable amount, it is still faster. Why? And with the Armaguerra, it reloads in 3.2 seconds, which is on the slower side (at least compared to the Fedorov 1912 which reloads in an astounding 2.3 seconds…).

Lee Enfield No.4

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Armaguerra Mod 39

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The proposal

In order to buff the Gewehr 41 and Type 4 the right way, I suggest buffing the reload speed to inbetween the Armaguerra and Lee Enfield No.4, or in other words:

make the Gewehr 41 and Type 4 reload in 3.5 seconds

It should be faster than BR II guns such as the SMLE Mk III and Lee Enfield No.4, but still slower than single clip reloaders (Fedorov, M1 Garand, Armaguerra), and fits right in the middle. I’m sure this is a proposal everyone can agree on, and still retains balance.

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the type 4 reload used to be FAST before the merge happened

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The quick fix is bringing g43 down to BR3. Unlike the other iconic battle rifle g43 has no Bayonet

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Yeah and Germany still has the ZH rifle for BR4, which has really high damage and a bayonet

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That’s not fix, that’s inconsistent powercreep.

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Why is it to have a g41 and g43 combo is bad but 2 svt38 is okay?

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The SVT 38 and Gewehr 43 are much closer than the Gewehr 41 and SVT 38 are. The Gewehr only needs a nerf in the damage (12.7 vs 12.0), dispersion (26 vs 28) and reload time (2.3 vs 2.6), and then we’re golden. Plus, it lacks a bayonet, has higher recoil, and is heavier than the SVT 38.

What’s powercreep is the Fedorov 1912, with 12.7 damage, 2.3 second reload and higher accuracy and less recoil than the Armaguerra with 11.3 damage, 3.2 second reload and less accuracy and higher recoil.

SVT 38 Stats

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Gewehr 43 Stats

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You should stop pointing out the elephant in the room otherwise how else are the Soviets or the allies supposed to get away with murder.

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So what? SVT38 is the only BR3 10rnd semi rifle that’s mag fed instead of stripper clip fed.

So it would be way more justifiable to put SVT38 to BR4, instead of lowering G43 to BR3. (If western allies can be without BR4 TT rifle, then Soviets can without BR3 one :man_shrugging:)

SVT38 is literally the only excuse those people have, but there are plenty reason to change something about it. Instead of completely rebalancing the game around it.

What he wants is deliberate powercreep. And he is misusing inconsistencies in the game to justify it.

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No, thanks. I would prefer if all weapons weren’t straight up copies of each other, just with different look.

I really have no idea where these post merge people are coming from, they want total hardcore 1:1 balance in a game where equipment balance already plays a much smaller role than playerbase balance.
Literally non upgraded equipment vs fully upgraded equipment makes more difference than most stuff you are discussing here.

Having disadvantages/advantages between factions is what makes all faction based game interesting.

Even in highly competitive game such as CS there are significant differences in weapon stats of each faction.

And enlisted is far from being highly competitive game.

Good ol’ campaign era… Back then when people weren’t bothered by 0.2 reload speed difference…

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Dude, the SVT 38 and M1 Garand still reload faster, but the Gewehr 41 and Type 4 get a 0.5 second reload increase, which is much needed.

I’m not the one who called for the Fedorov and Uragan. But the Germans have significantly fallen behind. I just suggest buffs more than nerfs generally because people react better to making something better than worse.

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Garand doesn’t have 2 stripper clips by 5 rounds, thus you can’t reduce its reload speed by loading only one stripper clip instead of two (when you are in need of quick reload)

SVT in its current state shouldn’t be BR3 in the first place.

There’s no need to increase reload speeds of both G41 and Type 4.
Literally just powercreep, completely killing the gimmick with two strippee clips. Because there would never be need to reload just one stripper clip instead of both.

Buffing just few weapons will make many more worse.
There are many weapons that are not in the tech tree and people have either invested the time or money to get them.

This unnecessary powercreep will only make them worse compared to the future meta.

So it doesn’t comes down to how all people would react. But about how minmaxers who only use meta stuff would react.
All other people are already pissed off their stuff is being devalued by this unnecessary powercreep that’s only further strengthening run&gun meta.

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G41 and G43 still need a buff as their visual recoil is just dreadful and G41 damage is very poor while also having one of the worst reload speed in the game right now. At the same time their recoil is not that great.

Nerfing SVT-38 reload speed won’t work as Japan has overpowered Hino rifle at BR3, putting it to BR4 will make it worthless as BR4 is not playable and always uptiered vs BR5.

It’s the consequences of garbage matchmaking and a power creep that Dark Gaijin loves so much.

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Don’t know how that was figured out, but I would for one only reload one at a time still for those under pressure moments, as a 3.5 second reload is still quite slow.

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Another thing about the SVT 38…it has the lowest horizontal recoil of any of the guns. Period. With a value of 26, it’s even less than the SVT 40 (28), less than all BR III rifles (Gewehr 41 being highest at 35 and the Garand and Type 4 around the 32 mark).

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I should add SVT-38 that to the list

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How is that a powercreep when svt38 has more edge than the g41 and g43. Svt38 has edge over g41 when it comes to reload speed and Svt38 has a bit of edge than the g43 because g43 has no Bayonet(you cannot Bayonet charge with g43), plus svt38 iron sights is better than g43. You only calling it powercreep because g43 can balance the playing field in BR3

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He doesn’t want a world of 50/50

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Can you read? Since I’ve already explained all this lovely stuff :).

And if you don’t understand, the problem is that SVT38 is in its current state on BR3 instead of BR4. Not that G43 is on BR4.
Then it’s meaningless to try explain anything to you.

Putting G43 down is not fixing the core issue, it is accepting it and make it only worse.

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Svt38 in BR3 is the right choice. the g41 and g43 was developed and created is because of svt38