Buff damage of some weaker SA rifles to 14.4 (upgraded)

Some semi auto rifles (like BR2 Armaguerra Mod. 39) deal <14 damage. Because of damage drop over distance, they quickly become ineffective against soldiers with vitality perk. It’s not a big buff but should make those rifles a bit more reliable.

Ze list

USSR:

  • non (surprised?)

Axis:

  • Beretta M31
  • Breda PG (Carcano)
  • Armaguerra Mod. 39

US:

  • M1E5 Garand
  • Winchester M1907

Japan:

  • Type Hei 10 Rifle
  • Hino rifle
  • Type Hei Rifle (Late)
  • Type Hei Rifle
  • Type Otsu Rifle
  • Type Hei Automatic Rifle
  • Type Ko Rifle

Some weapons removed based on feedback.


Weapons that shoot intermediate rounds (like M1 or VG) should be excluded from this buff for obvious (I hope) reasons.

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That one uses 8.9x34mmSR, which looks like an intermediate round to me.

Considering that it’s a carbine version of the Garand with a 25% shorter barrel (thus lower muzzle velocity) it makes sense the damage is also lower. 13.8 to 14.4 would still be fair imo, compared to 15.3 of the garand.

However, all the others from the list are using a relatively weak fully-powered cartridge (6.5x50 carcano / 6.5x52 arisaka), it would not make much sense to have them deal the same damage as other semi-auto rifles that use more powerful rounds. There is a reason japan switched to 7.7mm and italians to 7.35. Most of those guns also got a pretty low recoil (at least japanese ones) that reflects how weaker the rounds are.

This one is literrally the worst BR3 semi in the entire game, it should get at least a damage buff of (unupgraded) 11.2 → 11.6 to be in line with the rest of japanese semis. Type otsu got the same buff not long ago.

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This one fires a quasi-intermediate round . Definitely shouldn’t get damage buff other than that the list is solid.

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Nope. As we all know germany suffers

Crying much about the fedorov?
Armaguerra does not need a buff, Breda is op with 20 already, dont have the beretta

yep as said before intermediate/lower velocity

You cannot be serious. Out of all the guns in the game, this is the least requiring a buff

Soooo… make all guns (exept for soviet ones ofc) better without any balancing justification?

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it doesn’t really need a buff it’s the strongest semi at BR3. G41 + Italian SVT copy needs buff the most and 14.4 dmg is not enough with massive downsides of that gun (small magazine, bad recoil/dispersion, just 10 rounds and ultra slow reload). They also have to go vs Soviets that can have vit + body armor.

Hell no

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Honestly I feel like German damage buffs are kind of dumb when soviet body armour is uses as justification becasue even if the entire soviet faction has them on what that means is that the US (which will be facting the exact same guns) will have a disadvantage for no reason. Which is why I would support deleting the body armour, not buffing Germany

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I still have to disagree. Intermediate or not, .30 carbine and whatever the VG 1-5 is are still rifle rounds. In game, they’re treated no better than .45 ACP (what the Thompson and Grease Gun use), which is a pistol catridge. Difference is, .30 carbine still hits a lot harder than basically an oversized pistol round.

Of course, they shouldn’t do the same damage as full-sized calibres (like 30.06 and 7.62x39r), but at the very least, they should still have a buff. Something like the M1 carbine having upgraded damage as base (8.8, or maybe just above 9.0) as base damage. Same goes for VG 1-5, because at this point in time, they are basically useless for anyone who lives outside of the server locations.

I’m gonna die if there’s a hole like this on me
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Ah, ok. I didn’t doubble check this rifle, my bad.

Fedorov uses arisaka round too but it does 15.3 damage. So I’d say any irl stats as justification are meaningless.

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A bit. It fires arisaka round but is stronger than other rifles that use more powerful rounds.
So I don’t see why other semis with small damage shouldn’t be buffed a bit to make them more viable.

I kind of agree. But I like when numbers make sense and are in line with other numbers. Buffing all other semis but leaving out this one “semi” would be weird.

Sounds like a balance justification to me.
Also why Armaguerra does not need a buff?

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I wanted to focus on full rifle round semis here. Feel free to make post about the intermediate ones, I don’t have much experience using them.

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I already made one, but I guess it doesn’t hurt to make another post. Maybe dark flow will eventually notice if I post it enough.

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agreed with everything except this. buffing the gun with damage when it has 30 rounds vs everyone else 20 rounds would make gun OP.

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well actually there are balancing justifications. soviet weapons are mostly just OP compared to their counterparts.

fedorov 1912 has 14.8 damage vs armaguerra/beretta m31 with 13.6. one extra bullet doesnt mean shit when they will need to spend double bullets to down/kill someone.
svt40 with bubnov vs breda pg(carcano), both with 20 round magazine, both on BR4, but bubnov has 15.3 damage, while breda has 13.6 damage

on other hand japanese SA rifles are just terrible(except type hei AR) and really need buff. they have low damage and small magazine for TT. their GO weapons are usable, but still worse than TT counterparts from other nations.

Which Fedorov gun are you refering to?
Fedorov rifle: 7.62x54mm → 15.3
Fedorov rifle (25): 7.62x54mm → 15.1
Fedorov Avtomat: 6.5x50mm → 13.9
Fedorov MG: 6.5x50mm → 13.9

From what I know they all use arisaka, no? I haven’t seen other cartridges mentioned outside of design/proto phase.

They do not, the Fedorov rifles in game use 7.62x54R.

There was a variant of the rifle in 6.5 arisaka but we do not have it:

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So I guess I confused those two. My bad

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