BR reduction for some german equipment

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I will provide some equipment germany has,tell what BR it is at and why it should be moved,then the BR it should be.

MP 18-this is a BR2 SMG,but has a worse preformance than BR1 SMGs.looking at stats alone,it is slightly worse than the MP34 (ö) in terms of recoil,and the model of the magazine takes up most of the left side of the screen when aiming.this gun should go to BR1.

R75-the motorcycle avalible to germany for the rider class at BR2,and that should tell you all you need.if you have heard anything about riders,you know they are the most useless class in game.this veichle should be moved BR1.

panzerwhefer 42-a truck avalible to buy at BR4 with 20 rockets and a mounted MG42.at the same BR for the same price,you can get the calliope,which is an improvement in general.

armour -the panzerwhefer has an average thickness of around 5mms of armour and thickest of 15mms (the tracks),so any AT weapon in game can penetrate and easily kill it,even BR1 AT rifles,and even artillery can kill you in this.the calliope has the normal armour of a sherman,not much to say,infinitely more survivable than the truck with rockets.

armament -the panzerwhefer has 20 rockets which are slightly stronger than the calliopes,but are on the back of the truck and its possible to kill yourself with it by shooting the back of the cab,has a slower (I think,could be wrong) reload than the calliopes rockets and a lot less rockets,with the calliope having 60 rockets mounted on top of the turret.the panzerwhefer has a MG42 on the front of the truck,but has limited traverse and overheats very quickly,whereas the calliope has a M1919 in the turret which overheats a lot slower and traverses with the turret.in addition,the calliope has a short 75mm M3 cannon,one of the best cannons for infantry support in the game with a high amount HE filler with a decent fire rate.

In conclusion,the calliope is just plain better than the panzerwhefer,and it should be moved to BR3 where it can be easily destroyed regardless of what BR it fights.

This is just a few things I could think of off the top of my head,if I can think of any more I will make another topic,but feel free to suggest more.

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Agree with you, MP18 is a must!

Other things that need to move are:

StuG III G/F - BR 2
StuG III A - BR 1
Puma - BR 1
MkB 42 H/W - BR 4
IAR - BR 2
VMP 1942 - BR 3
ERMA EMP 44 - BR 3
Jagdpanzer IV - BR 3
Luftfaust - BR 3

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Thanks,I will try to make a topic on some of these soon.

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in terms of reductions, I think the gerat 03 and stg45 need to come down to br4. Pz4 H to br3. Luftfaust to br3.

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I think the MP-28 Extended Mags would also be well suited to BR1, though few enough people have it.

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Agreed, it’s basically the same as the MP34

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imageBR4 to BR3
imageBR5 to BR4 (Mkb42(w) and STG45 obviously also lowered in BR)
imageBR5 to BR4
imageBR3 to BR2
imageBR2 to BR1 (it has the worst reloading time of all portable AT weapons)
imageBR3 to BR2 (give us heat to have chance against tanks or lower the BR)

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Significant difference in armour between these 2 marks of the Stug 3 - The F should be the same as the P4-F2, but the G is significantly better with 80mm armour, so it can stay where it is!!

Sure

No - far too good for BR1 - gun is massively better than 45 or 2 pdr, mobility is excellent - BR2 is fine

Dunno - I have it but too marginal to care about IMO

It already is isn’t it?? Pretty sure it is my go-to in my BR2 lineup…

No - both are excellent SMG’s and seeing BR2 would be far too overpowered

No - armour is far too good

Useless at anything above BR1 so don’t really give a damn.

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Both are better than VMP and yet i don’t see you crying about them being too overpowered at BR2.
Actually all Soviet smgs at BR2, BR3, BR4 are vastly overpowered and they can buy unlimited amount of them. So VMP needs to go down in BR to match OP Soviet’s guns.

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never understood why VMP 1942 is BR4

same with Jagdpanzer IV

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Never got the VMP myself, I hadn’t realized it was in IV. That’s way too high.

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Especially the MP 35/I and the Sd.Kfz.251/9
Those being in BR 3 really tick me off

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in general, most of the pre-war and early war weapons should be in BR 1-2.

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StuG III has no coaxial MG, no flex mount MG and no turret to rotate so therefore it shouldn’t be in the same category as the Panzer 4 F, G & J.

Puma Should be BR 1 because it is a glass cannon armoured car that can be penetrated by even 12.7mm.

MkB moved from BR 5 to 4 because of the new +/- matchmaking rule.

Pretty sure the IAR is BR 1 if I’m not mistaken, otherwise it’s fine at BR 2. If not, it should move to BR 2.

VMP & ERMA EMP, should move to BR 3 because of the competition that they face. PPSH box mag is far superior to anything that the Germans have at BR 3 and as gold weapons, I believe they won’t cause much impact because of their rarity.

Jagdpanzer 4. Again, same argument as the StuG III. Fixed main gun and no MGs make it have no competition against the panther and Tiger H1 at BR 4.

Luftfaust, not really important. Just would like to see it not restricted to BR 5. It preforms terrible and is rare anyway.

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Some people here like to argue that 60mm of sloped armor of the Jagdpanzer IV L48 is too much armor for BR3 to deal with, which is why I have proposed it getting its real armor protection of 80mm. Historically speaking most Jagdpanzer IV L48 had 80mm of armor anyways.

That way it would be an okay vehicle for BR4 - IF Panther moves to BR5 while Tiger I moves to BR4.

So that at BR4 you could choose from:

-Tiger as regular tank

-Jagdpanzer IV L48 as a more armored SPG, but with worse firepower than tiger

-Jagdpanzer IV L70 (A) as the crippled brother of the BR5 Jagdpanzer, because having worse armor than the Tiger, but having a BR5 gun.

That would make the most sense, in fact every nation and BR should give the player 3 options to choose from:

-a regular tank as a decent all-rounder
-a more armored vehicle but with worse firepower
-a less armored vehicle with more firepower

If this principle gets applied on all BR placements for tanks, we would have a much better gameplay loop.

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Wtf? Why?

This would immediately make at least five BR1 tanks obsolete.

If nothing else, the premium open top Pz I should be downgraded to BR1.
It shares a gun with a Puma. But it has no MG, has terrible vision, and is open topped.

But in no way should the Puma be downgraded to a BR1.

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That thing is essentially an infantry support vehicle.
In theory he shouldn’t even have armor-piercing rounds
You can try using smoke to attack enemy tanks
This is more effective than armor-piercing bullets

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I don’t think having assault rifles in level 3 is a good thing
they are not very strong
But it seems a bit too powerful compared to level 3 weapons.

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As an axis main, I guess I should add my 2 cents here…
Though, I mostly play in low BRs.
I’m not well-versed about premiums, so, take these bits with grain of salt:

Fair enough.

Not sure, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Rocket launchers are pretty gimmick to begin with. I guess I’d be okay with them being lowered to BR3.
I think we need self-propelled guns to have a tech-tree variants of some vehicles.

I agree with that, it certainly has better bomb load and strafing capabilities than BF109s near it.
Speed however is lower, but otherwise it should definitely be in the BR2.

I don’t think it should go to BR1.
Yes, it is a glass canon that even 50Cal machinegun can penetrate, but it is very fast and it’s firepower is quite good (50mm late war gun, plus rapid fire MG42). I think it should stay where it is.

I disagree. I think 1 BR should be filled with AT rifles than anything explosive.
But for any other suggestions - I agree.

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I do like most of your ideas and Stugs could be lowered by one BR since they don’t have mg’s or turrets.

Theres no good reason to put Puma into BR1. Yes, it is a glass cannon tank with a strong gun and very effective in the hands of a skilled player. Puma is not meant to tank 50 cals and I’m totally fine with that. Still one of the best tanks at BR II currently.

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I disagree.

Putting panzerwerfer to BR3 would immediately meant there’s going to be chance to encounter BR1.

Imagine the horrific experience BR1 tankers would have once they would came across panzerwerfer.

And I am saying this as owner of panzerwerfer.

If something, I would rather increase its rocket capacity to 10/30 or something like that. But from my perspective, it should stay at BR4.

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