Many people have already suggested changing BR for German tank destroyers, so here is my post about it
It penetrates 51mm with common AT ammunition and 81mm with HEAT, like all the stugs in this game it does not have an MG and also has a short cannon, because of these arguments it is not BR2
It penetrate 135mm but the Pz.IV H and Pz.IV J penetrate 143mm so there’s no chance for the stug III F It’s BR2
It penetrates 143mm, the same as the Pz.IV H and Pz.IV J, and it is Premium, obviously not BR3 It’s BR2
Do I need to say anything about the Flak 88? It has no armor and used against jets, it could be a BR2 or BR3.
It is in the same BR as the Tiger II H and P, Tiger E and Jagdpanther, then the Panzer IV/70(V) is BRIV
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For a second I thought you meant to decrease the Br of the tiger 2 H and P, Tiger E, and Jagdpanther
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good suggestion but the premium Stug III G has 80mm armor so It should not be BR 2
DF PLZ BUFF Stug III F
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Stug III G can be penetrated by many Allied and Soviet tanks from BR1 and BR2
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How do you think It even you are not an owner of Stug III G?
And what BR 2 Allies or soviet tank can penetrate 80mm armor+tracks???
Are you know that stug has 2 layers of armor at the front? I guess you don’t know that.
But yes, Buff Stug III F is really good suggestion as Germany main.
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Stuart BR1 can penetrate with the second best ammo Lol
i say reduce the BR of all tank destroyers but reduce or even remove the HE they have, to cement their role as tank destroyers and not just another vehicle to cycle and harass infantry with
I like the idea, but I think your arguments are off the mark.
Stug 3A - This is a hard one, since it is a complete HE spammer and will be a plague at BR1, thats the main reasaon to hesitate.
Stug 3F - Ive said it for ages, it needs to go to BR2, allowing germans to have the proper choice of Anti Infantry in the likes of the Pz4 E/F1 and then proper AT in the iconic Stug 3F.
Stug 3G - This one is more nuanced, it has 80mm Hull armour, more in some points making it very very strong for BR2, probably too strong, combined with a really good gun, Id say it still fits for BR3.
Flak Bus - Yeah… like fuck, this is a no brainer, it needs to be BR3 yesterday, the only reason I would stand against BR 2 for it, is that its too much of an all rounder minus armour.
Pz4/70V - This one, I think will need to stay at an accursed BR5 dooming it to nothingness, completely eclipsed by the Jagdpanther and KT. Frankly its too good for BR4, but too bad for BR5. A genuinely sorry vehicle that doesnt fit into the meta of the game. Maybe if we see compression with a BR6 this could shine at BR5, but until then it will have to lie there.
I would also throw onto this list, the Marder 3H should go to BR2 as well, sure its a great gun, but both marders are far too vulnerable to justify leaving them up.
Enlisted doesn’t copy Warthunder one by one.
Tank mechanic wise its very close, but yes I dont think the stuarts use their good shells.
Still, Im conflicted, since the 6pdr AT guns and M1 bazookas can still shred it, especially since it still doesnt have it top mounted MG.
Personally I think its fine to remain at BR3, though it needs that MG sooner rather than later.
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All tank destroyers (or almost) from all factions could be lowered.
There’s more than main armament strenght. TDs sacrifice armour, defensive arms and sometimes turrets for a powerful main gun. It should be fair they’re lowered accordingly.
Note:
- marderIII (H) should also be lowered to br 2. It has no place being in br3.
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I agree (I remembered Marder III H after I made the post Lol
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the premium stug is a bit better than the TT one, but still much worse than the panzer4s everyone plays on br3.
letting the premium one stay in br3 would punish people for buying an (already overpriced) tank thats useless compared to the free br2 version (after downranking all stugs).
this post by vini is great because it specifically includes the 2 premium stugs that most posts like these forget. the short chode stug has immense historical value…but zero playabiliy in BR2. downranking it to br1 would make the first famous stug playable and give more history fans a reason to actually play enlisted. same goes for the normandy stug3G once its in br2.
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Premium stug used to be a counter to Jumbo back in the days, nowadays it correctly has gotten a few weakspots, but its still noticeably better armored than most BR3 vehicles, especially better armored than German Panzer IV.
Moving it would be a mistake - its frontal armor is somewhat comparable to KV1, but giving it a MG would make its gameplay so much better… so that I do think would make sense.
if the statement about the superior armor was true, people would play it. but its weaker than both panzer 4 J & H, its been unplayable since BRs were introduced.
the theoretically better armor comes with much worse armor from the top and sides (easy to bomb/strafe/bazooka etc) & having no turret makes it offensively much weaker. and the low profile makes it unplayable on some maps, especially berlin maps.
people need to stop pointing at 20% of the features of a tank and ignore the other 80%.
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Well 80mm of armor is crazy for BR2 - well technically Matilda also has comparable armor, but Matilda is terribly slow and has a BR1 gun…
We all agree that STUG G has terrible utility, but it has 80mm of armor and a very nice gun.
You cant go around and claim STUG G is just slightly better than STUG F and should also move to BR2, STUG F has the L43 gun " just a bit weaker than L48, but especially noticable when fighting KV1" and only 50 mm of armor - same as BR1 Panzer III J, while STUG III G has 80mm of armor, which is pretty much the same as KV1.
This doesn’t matter in the tank combat context and instead in my mind counts to STUGs utility. Surviving infantry up close is a death sentence anyways, unless you have a KV1 of course that has the same 75mm of armor on the front, the side and the rear.
youre right with your points, but all that still makes the stug3F/G unplayable compared to the panzer4 J/H.
both stugs would be good-strong for br2. which is fine, as currently theyre very weak at br3.
making something playable is always the right game design choice if it doesnt make other things unplayable. both stugs would be strong against enemy tanks, but their performence against planes & infantry means theyre limited in utility.
I can say that the people who are afraid of stugs3s in br2 are overreacting, as the optimal tank set up for br2 would be panzer4(short 75mm) as a primary anti infantry tank and a stug3 against enemy tanks. overall having only a stug as your only tank would limit you too much, so theyre not even oppressive against other german tanks.
against enemy tanks theyre deadly, no matter the competition, but thats fair as these stugs are much weaker against infantry so theyre overall damage output is roughly equal to that of the tech tree Panzer4, who performs much worse vs tanks but much better vs infantry.
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