Berlin smg rebalance (axis)

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Here, I think you missed something:

(never officially used by germany, but still better than made up guns)

Because it has never ever been issued to frontline troops. But you may freely prove me wrong.

Not being issued to frontline troops doesn’t mean not seeing combat. Smuggling and illegal trade exist.

Quite irrelevant as it wasnt sold to anywhere either at the time so no

Do you have a spreadsheet of all the illegal deals that happened 1944-1945?

Besides with this logic everyone should have nukes because they were produced during ww2 which makes absolutely 0 sense.

2 nukes were produced. 1000s of kp44s were produced. You can very easily smuggle an smg across a border. Let’s see you smuggle a nuke.

Entirely irrelevant as combat ended at the same second when peace was announced.

Wrong. Many finnish units/soldiers still fought on unofficially as individuals.

Well it did fit your first argument of “produced” during ww2.

It wasn’t exactly produced. Those things never saw any kind of armory. Crafted would make more sense to use for the AS44 and especially for Kalashnikov’s guns.

As what comes to Finland the war was over before any of the Kp-44 was mass produced

But the war was still going a few hundred kilometers away, and many fins held a grudge and decided to fight on.

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Then you probably can prove your claim.

Do you have documents that proves winney the pooh wasnt fighting for USSR with flying saucer dual wielding ak-47?

Was there ? Do you have document that clearly states that mickey the mouse wasnt amuggling millions of nuclear weapons to all belligrents of ww2?

Then you probably have documents of such. If you are referring to few inviduals that fleed to germany to continue fighting they went there as civilians and definitely werent provided weapons by fdf.

Yet, did see combat just as much as kp44 did. So its just as much of fantasy to add as44 as its to add kp44.

You may freely provide prove. As of strict peace terms Finland was forced to declare war on Germany which they definitely did not want to.
So I highly doubt that any even invidual would have taken the risk of new war against USSR.
But as said feel free to provide evidence.

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Then you probably can prove your claim.

I said might’ve and possibly quite a lot. You’re the one saying they definitely weren’t used. I’m not arguing they 100% were, I’m saying there’s a decent chance they could’ve been used due to a lot of (as before said) factors.
Your entire comment is based upon this wrong assumption.

Do you have documents that proves winney the pooh wasnt fighting for USSR with flying saucer dual wielding ak-47?

Actually, yes. The wiki. It says he’s fictional.

Was there ? Do you have document that clearly states that mickey the mouse wasnt amuggling millions of nuclear weapons to all belligrents of ww2?

Yes. Look up production numbers. Millins weren’t produced, nor found, nor used. And, again, wiki, fictional.

Then you probably have documents of such

No, as it wasn’t documented.

definitely werent provided weapons by fdf

Who said anything about legally providing?

Yet, did see combat just as much as kp44 did. So its just as much of fantasy to add as44 as its to add kp44.

No. Again, production numbers.

So I highly doubt that any even invidual would have taken the risk of new war against USSR.

No war would’ve happened, they’d be trialed as terrorists if cought.

And you’re the one arguing against me, as well as saying these things 100% didn’t happen, you’re the one that should provide evidence. In this scenario, I am correct until proven wrong (just like innocent until proven guilty works).

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no this is not how it works, neither of you two can provide proof of this weapons were utilized so by your logic they cant be introduced as a standard unlock.

nothing more nothing lees

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Except he’s saying that there’s no chance any could’ve ever been used. I’m saing they could’ve, but I never said I could 100% prove they were, at least not intentionally. And he’s the one trying to counter my point and say I’m wrong.

so by your logic they cant be introduced as a standard unlock.

by my logic I don’t need new smgs. And I’d be alright with rare weapons as premiums/golden order guns/ very high tier rewards.

Already answered

And remember that this is over the full-auto vg 1-5. And I’d be more ok with a weapon which is period accurate and real (even if combat use is in the gray zone) rather than than a fictional conversion. This is where it started, and where I’d advise you to leave and preserve your sanity at. (Unless you have 100% factual evidence to counter my point about comabat usage being possible, yet not fully confirmed)

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i dont really care about the vg 1-5 automatic version i included it bc i didnt have nothing else in mind, but if your reason it its a rare weapon it should be a golden weapons like every other non conventional weapon used in ww2 and not an “higer tier unlock”.

good it was used in ww2 but in what numbers? you cant outfit all your team with it no? so straight to golden order weapons/premium and the same with the as44, vg1-5 ecc ecc.

in the end the smgs people are gonna use will be the same 5 boring ones for you its ok for me no, i’ve already played with those weapons A LOT i dont want to refarm them FOR THE THIRD TIME.

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As thats statement of FDF / finnish government.
Which I for some odd reason consider more plausible source rather than some random tinfoilhat at enlisted forums.

But it doesnt say it didnt happen.

Aliens, aliens took them with mickey mouse as war ended.
Prove me wrong herpderp.

What a great argument then.

Then you can prove they were illegally provided.

36 vs 7 so neither was produced in significant numbers.

Then you probably have evidence of such trials.

IF You make an argument X you are supposed to provide evidence to back up your argument.

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not an “higer tier unlock”

If it’s high tier, it’ll still mostly be rare. Cause barely anyone will reach like level 35 without getting bored. But yeah, your point about premium/golden order makes more sense, though like the mkb in moscow, I believe it can be a high tier unlock if it’s needed to balance out something else.

Thou, seeing as it never left the workshop, I’d say the AS44 would only be possible as gold order, not as part of a premium squad.

i dont want to refarm them FOR THE THIRD TIME.

That is actually a good point. Though I believe the solution to it is a shorter grind and not prototypes.

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As thats statement of FDF / finnish government.

What is?

But it doesnt say it didnt happen.

Evidence.

Aliens, aliens took them with mickey mouse as war ended.
Prove me wrong herpderp.

Again, you’re missing my point. Logic proves you’re wrong, but factually, you’re right, it could’ve happened, just like the kp44 could’ve been used in ww2.

Then you can prove they were illegally provided.

Can you prove they weren’t?

IF You make an argument X you are supposed to provide evidence to back up your argument.

Me:
Evidence: KP44 Produced is significant numbers at plausible times, Finnish hatred towards the USSR
Point: Possible

You:
Evidence: no legal documents of it (at least not public)
Point: Impossible.

Which is more playusible? I’ll leave this up to anyone willing to respond. And I’m already leaving you here, as I’m tired of your pointless rambling.

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you need to think on the long terms lvl 35/40 is high level now but in 2 years? ,more sooner than later the standard and less standard issued wapons will be all in the game, and what they will put in for new standard content?

not gonna happen maybe they will split veichle and infantry tree but the grind is gonna only icrease

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you need to think on the long terms lvl 35/40 is high level now but in 2 years? ,more sooner than later the standard and less standard issued wapons will be all in the game, and what they will put in for new standard content?

Or maybe the game will die in a few months. With the current number of players and most of the playerbase wanting overhauls, that seems a lot more possible. And unlike warthunder, Enlisted actually has competition.

not gonna happen maybe they will split veichle and infantry tree but the grind is gonna only icrease

What will happen and what should happen are often different things. But if the devs want the game to live, they’ll (hopefully) make the grind better.

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Kp-44 did not ever see combat.

Aliens, prove me wrong.

Quite controversial, no fantasy guns but fantasy scenarios.

Thats your argument so the burden of providing evidence is your problem.

Perhaps you should read a little more about after war Finland and allied peace commission in Finland.

No legal documents, no illegal document not even rumours from far far cousins cat herder.

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Yeah, no I’m not wasting another second here with you. You have made it clear your iq is lover than room temperature.

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Well thats the first argument you can actually back up with evidence, as anyone with higher IQ would definitely not waste time on you.