Berlin, FW190

Right now I am working on my Berlin axis campaign and I am at level 30.
I got the FW190 and was attracted by its abundant firepower and used upgrade tickets to upgrade it to the max. However, it is very difficult to maneuver.
If you try to bomb it at a shallow angle of approach, the fuselage gradually slides from side to side and the bombs miss. On top of that, it has poor turning performance and no aft machine gun, so there is nothing you can do if an enemy plane gets behind you.
The only thing that works now is dive bombing from a high altitude. However, this is only possible if the tanks are spotted at the right moment by friendly infantry units.
I usually circle over enemy territory myself to spot tanks from the air and then move to attack. However, if I dive bomb the tanks at altitude in that way, it takes time and I miss the spot. Also, because of the poor turning performance, it is dangerous to stay at low altitude to look for tanks.
Thus, with my skills, the FW190 is very difficult to handle, and bombing, which had an 80% chance of success with the ME410, is less than 10% with the FW190.
I am wondering if I should continue practicing with the FW190 or go back to the ME410.
Any good advice on using the FW190?

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I Assume you are talking about Fw190D?

If so this is one of my favorites and most efficient Killers in Warthunder (and is real good in enlisted too)> When I was flying it, It was my highest effiency killer at 5.5 planes shot down per life.

The key to this plane, is it is a “boom and zoom” fighter or “energy” heavy management fighter. And you must fly it as such. Altitude, Speed, vertical plane turns, not horizontal.

You can outrun most enemy fighters attackers, and outclimb (if you manage your energy well). Familiarize yourself with hammer head turns. “Stall out and kick the rudder to turn on the spot”

Adjusting your bombing will be more difficult, it has a great payload, But you will have to either exercise good shallow dive judgement OR drop from alot higher in a steep dive.

NOTE: and yes it does slide if you don’t use your roll to stabilize the slide, you get a feel for it

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Yeah, I don’t like any FW190, they all really slides to side.
It’s funny some guys were saying it’s just blowing wind. I think it’s just bug, devs claimed several times that they did fix already. Which obviously, isn’t true.

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Yes, I was talking about her.

It seems I still need a lot of practice to get along with her…
I would like to improve my skills in actual combat as much as possible, but it would be nice if I could have ME410 and FW190D in my unit at the same time, because I would also like to have an attack aircraft that can reliably destroy enemy tanks.

Will you be too?
I thought it was very strange because it behaved like a plane with a destroyed tail.
Whether that is a bug or a reproduction of the actual plane I do not know…

Yeah, I just tried Normandy premium one yesterday and it has the same problem.

Plus I remember majority of planes were sliding to side in Berlin campaign. They actually fixed most of them (at least the premium bf 109 is okay in berlin now, that’s what I am using there). But as you can see, not all of them.
It’s definitely bug, not a single plane should act like that.

Btw, it was way worse back then. At least it’s not so obvious now.

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Are you familiar with “energy” fighting, “boomnzoom” fighting and “turn” fighting? Not sure how much experience you have?

Energy fighting can take a while to get the hang of.

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My skills are at the level of not knowing this word.
I found a page on the Warthunder Wiki that explains it and now I’m off to learn it.

Depending on how keen you are theres some Good Warthunder Pilots that do tutorials on Energy fighting on youtube. DEFYN is a really good youtube pilot…(But pretty advanced)

But that depends how hard you want to go into it. If you like nerding out its pretty indepth. I have the advantage of learning over many years how to energy fight.

But if you just want to dabble, most important thing to know is energy is about Altitude and Speed, and transitioning it from one to the other. Doing horizontal turns and constant maneuvers , bleed speed, therefor bleeds energy.

Boomnzoom fighters more specifically, without energy are dead fighters.

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Thanks. I am going to try to learn it.

There are more recent ones, But I just tried to find you basic ones first. Also Enlisted is more about ground Striking, But it still helps to fly your plane the way they are meant to

Also, your garden Variety Gamer Pilot will just flat turn circle fight and know nothing about energy. So if you learn this, you will Dump on the majority of pilots you come across

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What @Myrm1don said.

Also:

This isn’t strictly the plane’s fault, but rather because of how the “flying instructor” works, which is how the game translates mouse inputs into plane controls.

Basically, when you move the mouse, the game will try to bring the plane’s crosshair to the mouse cursor (the white circle) as quickly as allowed by the plane controls.

The problem with the FW190s is that they have VERY strong rudder authority. Therefore, in case of minor turns, the game will prioritize applying rudder over rolling and turning, thus making the plane sideslip.

In order to prevent/counter that, when turning in for a ground strike pass, you’d better overturn a little at first, so that by correcting back you will bring your rudder close to neutral.

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I did not know that.
I thought I was the only one sitting in the cockpit of this FW190D, but I was horrified by the frightening fact that someone invisible was holding the controls over my hands.

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Yeah, the instructor is a bit special, hes supposed to be there to save you but usually hes the reason you get killed.

Even turning him off in warthunder, he still grabs your rudder control at the worst moments

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I bought the BP one a while back - yeah a little hard to manouvre - definitely practice with it - but easy to bomb with IMO - get heaps of ground kills, and good for killing bombers too :slight_smile: - I’m not a great dogfighter tho.

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They are probably what we call gremlins.

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One helper which I am not gonna name said it’s cuz of high winds in Berlin. Plus I think even one of devs also said that for Berlin at least.

As for Normandy that one should have been fixed as there are no ‘‘high winds’’. So this one is still bugged.

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Good fighter VS soviet airforces. Not so good for dive bombing or kamikaze. If you want to eliminate enemy tank, JU-87 will be better choice because the 250kg is in the middle. And if have enough slots, use both JU87 as well as FW 190.

It’s interesting, I realized I slowly started to fly like this (after countless battles and failures) all by myself, with fighters.

I suppose watching real life videos (I love old planes, they’re pretty) helped a bit in me starting to mimic what I saw over time.

I still do the climb then sharp dive with bombers, thought. I like going a bit slower with them to align my target better… :thinking:

I still need practice.

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That 190 literally delivers the same load as a stuka in half the travel time.

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Yeah, but no cool siren sound so it’s 0/10.