Battle Pass weapons that should be in the tech tree

[Valkay]

Hello bajtársak and fellow forumdwellers,

There are battle pass unique weapons that should be available in the tech tree.
While generally BP guns should stay unique to the battle pass, there are some exceptions to this.
The removal of the BP opens the possibility to move some BP guns to the tech tree without needless controversy.
Nations that will be added as subfactions need to have their standard weapons that were added as BP weapons, moved to the tech tree as well as BP weapons that are reasonable for balance.

We recently had a discussion about this: Any BP guns you believe should be in the tech tree?
No one opposed the idea of some BP weapons getting added to the tech tree, but which weapons should be added was not fully unanimous.

The most anticipated one by far is the Japanese:

• Type Hei 10 rifle

There is a balance reason for this: the type hei 10 is more comparable to the BR3 semi-auto rifles of other factions than the type otsu.
There is also a diversity reason for this: the battle pass has two type hei rifles with 10 round magazines, moving one rifle to the tech tree will make the roles of both rifles more unique.

• RPK-43

This Soviet BR2 LMG came up because of the general lack of diversity of Soviet light machine guns, especially on BR2 which only has the Madsen LMG, a hopelessly outdated Danish design.

• Chatellerault M24/29

The standard issue light machine gun of the French army, standard weapons should simply not be limited to the battle pass and thus should be moved to the tech tree when France is properly added.

• Lahti-Saloranta M/26

The standard issue light machine gun of the Finnish army. Again this gun has to be in the tech tree if Finland is added as a subfaction.

There is some compromise potential with the Chatellerault M24/29 and Lahti-Saloranta M/26,
they could be compromised by adding them to “subfaction tree” so for example the BP variant of FM24/29 could be used by any squad in the faction, but only French squads could use the non-BP FM24/29.
So even the BP variant would hold some uniqueness but the gun also wouldn’t be limited to four only.

@Valkay

3.0 The nation specific subtree holds weapons and vehicles unique to the nation.
Only squads of the same subfaction can use them, to maintain historical accuracy and make playing with different nation slightly more unique.

3.1 It’s completely separate from the main tech tree, not just Italy and Britain but also the US and Germany would have them.
This also helps to increase the size of the tech tree without bloating it.

some other weapons that were also mentioned:

@CaptainSebekel

BSA Thompson, Chatellerault M24/29, Type Hei (10 Rounds), Type Hei Late, Type11 SMG 1930, De Liste, Supressed M3A1, M2A1 Carbine, Bren Mk. I 100, Erma Silenced, Mkb42 (W), MG35/36, Silenced PPD, M/26, maybe RPK 1943

thank you for your time and attention!

[Deus_Vult88]

Great topic! If needed, the FNFISHI concern will fill in the missing elements in the technology tree of progression with concepts.

[Valkay]

@Deus_Vult88

I didnt know Doom guy fought for Finland.

[c4qph2]

[Deus_Vult88]

The progression should be done from top to bottom, not from left to right, so there will be more space for the progression branch.
(С) mr. FNFISHI

Upd:
Finland’s starting tank was the Renault FT-17. Let them first make it with machine gun armament, then the next one with cannon armament, followed by British, Polish tankettes and tanks, and only after that, captured USSR vehicles.

[Dirktator_Dirk]

I really agree with the first one,

the second one ahhhh idk man … the Madsen being bad is also balance for the fact the PPS line is strong. Also, this is a prototype, maybe it is better to add an LMG that was more available to the average Soviet soldier during the war.

The others, if these factions are added then hell yeah!

[Yamoto4299]

@Valkay

• Type Hei 10 rifle

There is a balance reason for this: the type hei 10 is more comparable to the BR3 semi-auto rifles of other factions than the type otsu.
There is also a diversity reason for this: the battle pass has two type hei rifles with 10 round magazines, moving one rifle to the tech tree will make the roles of both rifles more unique.

It would be nice but I’d prefer the type ko long for br3 tech tree:

[Valkay]

@Yamoto4299

the type ko long for br3

I would be happy with any of these two.

@Dirktator_Dirk

maybe it is better to add an LMG that was more available to the average Soviet soldier during the war.

I had the same idea in the mess room topic, but red army had few standard issue LMGs.
The alternatives are: a captured zb30 (from baltics and Romania) or lend-leased Bren gun but Enlisted players hate copy-paste so there aren’t really other options than prototypes.

[Bkworm07]

I love the RPK so that’d be neat or at least the top feed or hopper dp

[GiltBurrito7238]

The M24/29 could also be added to the German tree

[Valkay]

Every second Enlisted weapon could be added to German tech tree

[CaptainSebekel]

@Valkay

some other weapons that were also mentioned:

[CaptainSebekel]

Maybe the removal of GO system can be indeed seen as a chance to add all the old GO weapons to the TT since they are not available anymore (or soon) unless we will get occasional OG GO sales and them included in vet box.
It would be a shame though because the Allies and the Japanese have a a lot of French guns and other guns that would solve a lot of headaches in the Japanese TT.

[Dirktator_Dirk]

Wow that one looks nice!

[DownClocked]

What the hell?

[dextroverse]

That 15 round BRII machinegun for Soviets should be in the tech tree.

Its not good enough to waste a gold order on being a machinegun with only 15 rounds, but its arguably better then the Masden which is the only tech tree BRII Soviet machinegun.

They go up against Germany which has the fairly good MG13 and the alright ZB26. If Soviets go up against Japan at BRII they will face the fairly good Type 97 (I think it is) with the scope, as well as the fairly good 30 round Japanese gold order MG, as well as the other Japanese low BR machinegun with the tray blocking most of the sight picture.

[Aussie-Tachanka]

The type hei 10 in particular to me is really odd as a gold order choice. I own like 2 of them myself for my BR3 lineup and they truly make me wish they could have just been TT options.

Though now because of the Type Hei 10 being a battlepass shop item and the nature of such being an item that some may have purchased with actual money, I think a good alternative for BR3 would be the Type Ko Long as an option.

[КвазиМод]

@Yamoto4299

type ko long

I do not agree, the Japanese need a rifle that can be reloaded with a detachable magazine, and not with packs of cartridges.

[BKG_BorderBandit]

This would be cool

Aircraft MGs Used on the Ground:

1. MG 81 – Originally a Luftwaffe machine gun, but some were set up in static positions, especially in defensive lines. There was also the MG 81Z (Zweiling, or twin-barrel version), which could fire two streams of bullets at once.

2. MG 151/15 & MG 151/20 – Originally an aircraft autocannon (15mm or 20mm), but some were mounted on vehicles, fortifications, and even makeshift ground mounts. Some Fallschirmjäger units were known to use them.

3. MG 131 – A 13mm aircraft MG that occasionally found its way into bunkers or AA positions used against infantry.

[CaptainBeel]

Thank you for your post.

I fully agree.

M24/29 for example especially.

I have always thought this and for premium/event stuff as well.

GO, premium, event should be for really specific and unique content imo.

Like the suppressed ‘james bond style’’ spy weapons rather than the M24/29 which should be freely avaialbe as stated for France.

Indeed I never really understood why it was added for USA-UK when to my knowledge they NEVER used it.

Even if theyd given it as a TT gun to Germany since we already have some French guns in that tech tree due to Vichy France/general captured stocks.

Furthermore if we take the Charlton squad as an example.

I agree with the Charlton being event since it was a New Zealand Home Guard weapon that was never used in combat.

However I strongly disagree that New Zealand troops be locked to a random event squad.

We see this with GO Finnish, French, and other weapons.

The Hotchkiss M1922 Id really like to see added to the Japanese tech tree. The Type 11 sucks and the scoped one I forget the name is useful but only in certain situations.

If we get France added Id like to see the Hotchkiss M1922 for them as well. (Id choose it over a Bren since all BR I and BR II Allied LMGs are top mounted mags)

Overall we see with both weapons and squads something is missing in a tech tree and silly DF locks it behind a paywall when it couldve fixed the gap or issue.

Eg. A lot of people have commented on how overtiered Japanese semi auto rifles are. Like at BR IV the Japanese have the Type Otsu which although based on the ZH 29 (which is BR IV), the Otsu only has 5 rounds.
Hence as others have said the Type Hei 10 belongs in the tech tree NOT as a GO weapon.

Id also say the P14 Sniper (locked in an Australian squad) as an alternative to the Springfield snipers for low rank and as I wrote before the Universal Carrier shouldve been a tech tree British alternative to the American studebaker as well as a tracked option.