Balanced way to add very high capacity MGs (100-250 rounds)

Some ideas that could potentially balance such guns if they are ever to come.
Note: I count 100 belts as very high capacity but that’s just my opinion and should be this changed if necessary.

  1. No ADS unless mounted
    When not mounted, soldier can only “brace” instead of aiming (also it’s significantly slower than ads). This will force him to walk and it will make hipfire more accurate and recoil more manageable. Without bracing, gun would be very hard to control even at close ranges. This mechanic is present for example in such hardcore milisims as BF5.

  2. Make long belt an attachment


    Similarly to grenade launchers, long belts can be a separate ammo and can change how the gun behaves.

    • attachment off - MG has <100 round belt, works like now (probably with one less mag for balance)
    • attachment on - MG has >100 round belt, works like described in point 1 (maybe with even more movement penalties)

    This gives a lot of flexibility to the player and can be an interesting gameplay feature.

  3. Separate gun unlock and belt unlock to reduce TT clutter
    Simply speaking I don’t think we need MG42, MG42 (100), MG42(200) etc. So instead, make the gun unlock once as a base (current MG42 br4 in this example) and then make further unlocks long belt attachments that can be added to this gun (100 round attachment that can be added to the gun instead of MG42(100)). Maybe make it a gun upgrade to unlock attachment slot.

  4. Overheating
    After continuously firing, the gun should jam/stop. I’d say this should happen after non-stop shooting about 75 rounds (based on my experience), cooldown from 99% to 0% should take about 2-3s and cooling down from 100% should take about 4-6s (potential for barrel change animation where applicable).

Imo implementing those ideas as a whole makes the most sense but theoretically speaking each point can work on it’s own with some adjustments.

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what about reduce m2 stinger ammo to 100. there is no more 200+ ammo mg except m2 stinger

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passable for 100 round but 150/200+
require mounting of some degree or a second soldier, or a fictional backpack, hip pack, fannypack, no one with any accuracy is going to hip or shoulder fire an mg with over a hundred rounds. we all know the stinger at 200 is fictional meant to be a box of ammo cut in half thus 100 rounds.

just use a window frame, a wall, a car, car window anything to take weight of any soldier that is not an uber japanese at gunners. mgs with 100+ rounds were operated by teams of 2 to three men not one soldier.

I don’t think you will be anywhere close to accurate with mechanics I described above. At least not past 10m.

Actually almost all MGs are operated by 2-3 soldiers, even guns like BREN with 30 round box magazines.

I don’t target stinger here. It’s just a general idea for the future.
But overall I agree stinger should get 100 rounds.

the difference is a bren can be effectively used by a single soldier while almost any mg with 100 rounds or mor attached cannot be without bracing it.

Just like in my post. So what exactly are you arguing about?

braced not bracing as in supported on an object
such as placing the barrel of the gun on a window frame and the magazine on a table thus you would not be braced and walk

In game it’s called mounting.
By bracing I mean this:

a black and white photo of a soldier holding a gun .

Quite similar words but I don’t know how else call this.

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Militaria : Two ordnance containers, comprising an M53/MG42 pattern machine gun magazine drum, toget. Box MG 42/59 - Brave Inventors. then show me a mg42 with a magazine that can hold over a hundred rounds and fire while braced

None. But show me someone shoulder firing Type 97. Or reloading bazooka alone in 2s. Or even accurately firing FG42 full auto while running.
Gaming convention my dude. And we are far too deep in the mud to rework the whole system.

None. But show me someone shoulder firing Type 97. Or reloading bazooka alone in 2s.
Gaming convention my dude. And we are far too deep in the mud to rework the whole system.

and i accept that at br 6 7 8
because my dud 100 round mgs belong at br5 and more than that higher my dude.
or how would you feel about a 50 or hundred round thomspson at br 3 and 4 respectively

I’m afraid you completely missed the point of this post.
Good night.

oh no i do you mean to put these monstrosities at every br from 3 to 5
to create a new class of high capacity mgs which i can see favoring only germany
not agreeing with you does not mean i do not understand
i understand i do not agree with you

I believe he meant these should be added to BR1 with jetpacks.
You did understand correctly.

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Dieselpunk Titan: Armored Sci-Fi Heavy Assault Exosuit with body armor

You forgot we have flamethower
Just copy the code and add some animation
And this kind of concept already exist in many game
See HLL and BFV MG42

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What you’re describing with the first point sounds like what the US did when using the M1919A4 during the war.

For the points about making the belt lengths and adjustable thing, I doubt the devs will ever do that as it means disconnecting the guns from specific BRs.

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Infinite ammo HMG is at BR1. I don’t think a much weaker MG that has to reload and can move only at a crawl when “aiming” is a big danger.
Also no BR3, only BR4-5 where they are already. But who would bother reading.

This is straight up BS. US has M1919A4 and USSR has Maxim Tokariev with probably many more to come.
Why use brain when you can get emotional, right?

For someone who is understanding, you’ve misunderstood a lot.

yes an infinite ammo mg that
has to be constructed
has a limited arc of fire
cannot be moved
is a far larger target
Has to be constructed on the ground
has to be constructed in an area big enough to contain it
as opposed to

a nearly infinite gun that has so much ammo in one mag it should not be allowed to reload
will only not be able to aim down sights
will only be given an overheating mechanic
will double or triple the magazine capacity of existing guns

what is need
reduce squad from 3 to 2
premium from 5 to 3 if premiums get this upgrade
limit the total ammo carried to 300
1 reload for 150 mag 3 for 100
if you are bringing 10-0 to br4 and 150 to br5 where does 200 or more go
a way of identifying these high capacity freaks

thank you lord for giving us one gun each could you at least list two more, just two more for both soviets and us factions
or is the us getting a M1919A4 1200 rpm at br4 and a 1500 rpm at br5