Of course. No limit for HE weapon is a straight way to the disaster.
I’m afraid it doesn’t fit in the definition of a weapon upgrade, but yeah sth like that.
I mean, it’s the only sidegrade I could think of that doesn’t make the weapon replace all the other weapons + It’s quite realistic.
That’s how I see sidegrades
Drum magazines.
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What about them
Why do I feel like I’m the only one who has no idea what’s going on
Are they not a factor?
off course they are
I would make them harder to reload. Right now it’s too fast
Drum magazine is the perfect example of sidegrade. You get a lot more firepower in exchange for longer reload and worse mobility. Full loaded drum variants of PPDs and PPSHs should weigh more than 5 kilograms. In game they all (box or drum) weigh 4 kilograms.
I agree
No, really
When did I get triggered?
I can’t remember, maybe it was sb else. Sorry then!
PPDs vs MPs is not asymmetrical balance anymore. Don’t fall for it peeps.
PPD in alpha had high rof and high recoil. While MPs got a pretty comparable rof with higher damage. I asked for a change and the devs sure did deliver.
Initial beta stages had PPDs getting their alpha stats carried over with MPs getting their damage bought to the PPD level and RoF nerfed hard making them not so great at wiping entire squads anymore. Still was pretty good and I would consider it was fair balance. PPD gets high RoF, high recoil. MP gets low RoF and low recoil as expected.
Then the win rate imbalance happened and Soviet mains thought something was wrong when everything was absolutely fine. Started crying for PPD buffs. Next update gave PPD lesser recoil per shot than MPs. It was so little that it felt like a vector gun. Huge backlash from the players leading to PPDs getting their recoil increased slightly. But still leaving it good enough for most short and low medium range engagements. Fair enough. Nothing wrong in letting the comrades get a bit of an advantage in the medium ranges.
Even more outcry from the Soviet mains(no idea why) which led to the next update coming out with MPs getting their recoil increased(RoF is still the same, mind you) and PPD getting their recoil tuned a bit more.
Which leaves you the current version of the SMG balance.
Germany gets .2 higher damage(not significant enough), low recoil due to the low fire rate.
Soviet gets high RoF, low recoil per shot(fire PPD in bursts and it will have lesser recoil for double the amount of bullets discharged) and their endgame(previously) SMG has a mag capacity of 71(enough to wipe out 2 squads before reload).
The SMGs were asymmetrical a while back. Can’t say anymore. The PPD recoil has to go up again. The current PPD is a laser gun with high RoF. The same ‘laser’ @73507743 accused the MP-41 to be.
This^.
Giving one faction a superior tank while leaving the other with a stationary gun that can take out the said tank is not good enough(talking about the suggestions for T-34 balance here). It’s much easier to field a tank and destroy a counter than it is to build a counter and then pray that the tank is not out of range before you finish it.
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The Suomi is suggested to replace the MP-41. Soviets get the PPK as their premium weapon which is very close to MPs in it’s characteristics. Very little recoil and low RoF. Gives the Allies a taste of the German SMGs.
In that case, Suomi is a reasonable choice for the Axis. It performs like the PPDs. Giving Germany the chance to have a go with an SMG similar to the Soviet ones.
Also to be mentioned that these are premium weapons. They will only be owned by people who bought the founder’s pack.
I have no clue what you are triggered over dude.
no it’s not
sorr but git gud
most players think MP-41 is the best SMG
The stats say otherwise. And ofcourse you are a Soviet main, I can understand. Can’t wake up someone pretending to sleep, innit!?
Was*. There is even people on the Russian forum calling the PPDs much better now.
You are not reasonable at all dude. Asking for changes that favour you while completely neglecting the consequences of such a change is what’s killing the game. Not symmetrical/asymmetrical balance.
71 round magazine, similar recoil to the MP-41 when fired in bursts while having twice the RoF, medium range manageable when firing full auto…far from delusional.
If anyone thinks any of the MPs are better than PPDs in any stats at this point, that’s delusional. And the solution is simple, ‘git gud’.
›Similar recoil in bursts
Yeah stopped reading there. It’s much less than it was, but I can land nearly every single round on target at range with the MP41 in full auto still.
Also the magazine size doesn’t mean much if your bullets don’t register due to shit servers 
It is better now but let it stay as it is. MP-41 is an SMG that needs nerfs
I use join any teams option all the time
I’m just pissed when German-only mains have no idea how good their weapon are
Germany has bad guns in Normandy but not in Moscow
When fired in bursts but MP-41 doesn’t need bursts and kills much quicker
PPD has bugs, actually the weapon itself is full of bugs and sometimes bullets don’t register (and I’m not talking about shooting at premium squads, I’m talking about all the squads)
Exactly my point
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You do know that PPDs rn have lower recoil per shot than any other SMG in the game, right?
You can do the same with PPDs in medium ranges now while retaining the ability to fire for much longer.
I don’t mind PPDs getting their recoil reduced or any other buffs in the future but when the German counterpart gets zero advantages in any area, it will drive German players away. Not healthy for the game. Atleast increase the damage or increase the fire rate with increased recoil.
recoil per shot doesn’t really matter. Recoil per second is a factor
Plus, PPD and PPSh were famous for controllable recoil for their RoF
LOL
Like what?
PPD has better DPS (if we avoid all the bugs)
MP-41 has better DMG
MP-41 has better controllability
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I wouldn’t buff any premium weapons. I’d rather replace it with PPD in Suomi skin like the PPK is an MP-40 skil for Soviets.
And I am even more pissed when Soviets players have no idea how good their weapons are already but still ask for buffs.
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First off, I’m not asking for buffs, I’m asking for nerfs
So mirror gameplay. Only 5% of voters want that
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