Are we going to see new factions after the merge? - Question/ Suggestion

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Hello,

Merging all campaigns into one is on the progress (We are aware of that), that actually opens doors for endless amount of new maps from Manchuria (USSR vs. Japan), France, Poland, Alps in the latest stage of the war, Continues War, Winter War, Poland, Crete, Shanghai, Nanjing, Singapore etc.

After the Br. System kicks in´basically the entire WWII becomes “Open” for adding maps and adding content.

How about the factions?

After the merge this game can finally do the same as War Thunder has already done and separate the progress trees to separate countries.

France, Italy (On its own), Poland, China, Finland, Britain.

In some of the maps you can have few country slots for Italians, few for Germans at the same time etc.

War Thunder has even Israel and some Sweden on it?

After the “Great Merge” this would open up possibilities such as Britain vs. Japan in Singapore, China vs. Japan Nanjing, Finns and some Germans vs. USSR (Continues war) and so on.

More factions, more players (As War Thunder has proven) and more to research, the BEST part in this is that majority of the work is already done, the units and squads, brigades and everything are already in the game for many players and especially weapons.

Separating France to its own is almost already there and having country such as Poland represented would totally explode the user base, although it would be only for the low BR. because of the early war.

Having multiple nations and entire WWII for adding things on the finally available should make it easier in the long run for developers.

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Thats the potential Im hoping for.

Im hoping the merge is a success and that it can develop further towards these things. All riding on the merge.

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Italy could get its own faction eventually, France could be added for sure. Everything else is pretty minor, they could be added but you wouldn’t have as big of an army as other factions. Gear would be limited. But maybe I am wrong, IDK.

Brits, Canada, Australia, etc could just be put under one big "Commonwealth’ faction.

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I think All the Sub Allied factions should be under just one Tech tree, The Allies (France, Canada, Australia etc etc). And Sub Axis under Axis/Germany (Italy, hungary, Romania etc)

They would all have their own subtrees, and you could just use them if you so desired. That way the player pool is still united.

Adding more Factions just starts seperating the player pool again like current Campaigns. This is what the merge is trying to undo.

And I dont want to see Mixed teams like Warthunder in the same match (Germany, Britain and USA VS Russia, Italy, Sweden)

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Yes.

Joke aside, yes to all and every other sub factions. Hopefully, we will be able to deck our squads the way we want.

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Except that’s kind of what will happen if we don’t separate nations.
For example muricans fighting in dunkirk as both US and UK are in the same faction and are mm as one.

So Imo from HA / immersion point of view, it would be better to separate nations and match them together accordingly to the war theater.
For example d-day would be US+UK vs Ger and dunkirk would be Fr+UK vs Ger etc. with various proportions.

But the problem is the split progression and potential lack of equipment for minor factions.
I guess the ideall situation would be to mix both scenarios and have merged progresion but split mm. I don’t know if this is doable though.

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What I mean is Axis and Allies mixed together. You are right, stuff like US showing up in Dunkirk would be a little off…(however they would only have basic unlocks, French stuff might be more appealing at this point)

But Id take it over America vs Britain for example. Id be worried it would head down the Warthunder route with having too many factions, where they would be just mixed battles and mirror matches (for the sake of Match making queues).

Also you covered the other reason I think they should be just a split tree in “one” faction. Some of the interesting subfactions only have early/mid war equipment.

It would be reasonably complex But you could probably use BR or Tiers to distinguish.

Just for example BR 1 and 2 (or Tier 1 and 2) is early war like Poland, France, (German, French and Polish Equipment start at BR 1, British starts at BR 2). Battle of France and Poland maps start here.

BR 3 (Or Tier 3) Moscow, Pacific (American, Soviet and Japanese Equipment starts at BR 3). Pacific and Moscow Maps start here

etc etc. Not well considered but you get my meaning.

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Would create such MM scenario which would be more complicated than current campaigns. Whole point of merge would be just thrown away.
At that point it would be better just stay with campaign concept but with faction tech trees with specific equipment allowed ti be use in specific campaigns.

So this is pretty much unrealistic and will never happen.

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At first I hoped for a separate Italian faction, but now I’m not sure anymore.

I’ve invested time, gold orders and GJN in the current Italian content within Tunisia Axis faction. Both free and premium.

Should a separate Italian faction ever come, I don’t want to end up like: “Sorry, but we published previous Italian squads and equipment as part of the German tree, and as such all said content will remain part of the German tree for those who already own it. We can’t just shift it to the new Italian tree because we want you to grind everything from scratch again and buy our new premium squads that would alter the value of products we sold, and anyway it is hard coded and can’t be changed.”

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Yeah, that’s what I think would happen. There’s no way they would just completely throw away option to resell the same premium squads just for different faction.
Expecting them current content move to different faction would be extremely naive.

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Yup. I still have all my Italian Planes in my German Tree (in Warthunder) because I had them before the split.

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Not really.
Most if not all maps would have multiple nations present. So even if your faction is not popular, you will have teammates from other factions.
So the worst case scenario is sth like battle of france with 10 brits and 0 french.

Though I agree it’s unlikely we will have anything like this.

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In WT it wasn’t a big deal because all of those were either very low tier, easily unlockable planes or starter level premiums worth a minimum amount of gold.

Here, on the other hand, most current Italian content is mid to high level stuff, gold order guns - soldiers, and quite expensive premium squads.

Definitely too much to be looked over.

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For sure! I was just more meaning that once you have it, it stays in. Like I have So many vehicles that have been removed or added to other nations in warthunder. (such as Panther IIS, Tiger II 105s, Cooleans, maus)

If you had them as German and Italy split off and got its own faciton…they would still most likely still be in Germany and you would have to get them again as Italy.

  • yes and then there is that…Tempest and Churchill, Firefly, paras VVV
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Not to mention that the same issue would arise with British stuff (Tempest, Churchill etc.)

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Give them British uniforms with American badges as if they were volunteers.
Even after the surrender of Italy, the fall of Hungary and the betrayal of Romania, many soldiers continued to fight, often in German uniforms.
American vehicles in Dunkirk might be still a little strange, but not anymore than a Tiger II showing up which isn’t impossible either.

This will be a WW2 game not a Dunkirk reenactment game, try Post Scriptum for stuff like that.

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Then it will mess up with player customization.

What does it have to do with the topic?

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yes we will get new factions after merge (in unspecified time).

only problem is how they will implement it in MM. i doubt they will allow solo nations vs someone (like poland vs germany, france vs germany) cause that would increase complexity in MM, so i guess that they will be subset of larger force. so e.g. in invasion of normandy you would see french, british, US and other nations vs germany. in tunisia you would see french, british, US vs germany and italy etc.

that would mean that some battles will not be implemented in near future of game cause it would bring complexity to MM and we dont have playerbase to support increased MM complexity. examples of such battles are SSSR vs japan, china vs japan etc.

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Worst suggestion i have ever seen.
Making everything unreasonable cringier and complex

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Its about as simple as it gets. Splitting them up would make it complex because it splits matchmaking even further (the whole point of the merge…to unify)

If thats the worst suggestion you have seen, your judgement is questionable at best.

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