Apparently Germany still suffers - mega thread

Thats one thing and thats fine, but when the “reasoning” applied isn’t universal it becomes a problem (most recently Solothurn, BFG110-G2, XA)

There are many things that have been “CRAZY strong” meta the entire time Aswell, supremely powerful and untouched:

PPS-42, PPS 41, PPSH BOX, Body armor …Those said SMGs take up over half of the positive BR changes AXIS had to received BR wise and Consequently filtered Into Allies because they need to know keep up with AXIS…It all started with the PPS

As for Planes The P38-g, IL-2, Su 2 and Mustang are every bit as meta and notorious as the BF110 G2

soooo many topics…Especially the P38 G…but no change

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Well since ZK-383 and Beretta exist at BR3, there is zero reason to say Germany is unplayable - Germany can keep a trash semi auto at BR3 and still stay competitive, which is something people just recently complained about “how Germany BR3 is unplayable”.

I disagree with this statement completely - but I acknowledge that G41 is worthless in comparison to SVT38, why is this so bad?

It’s not worthless, it’s worse.

That’s a big difference.

And of a set of weapons in a class in a br, one is always the worst - should be OK that this is axis. Shouldn’t be axis all the time.

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Double the damage and double the reload speed does actually sound pretty worthless to me honestly.

Honestly, I play decent amount of axis across BR 2, 3 & 5 and:

  1. Have never been bothered by body armor or noticed it to impact the games in any material way

  2. Never been bothered by soviet smgs either. Yes, they are good but i feel that axis guns are good enough to compete. :man_shrugging:

  3. This imbalance on smg side has, as you say, been already adressed by changes to both br and stats on axis side.

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So Do I (first year was only BR 2 and didn’t even have Pnz3n and IARC in my lineup…I purposely dont choose overused stuff alot of the time)…and neither have I been bothered…what bothers me is that things that “aren’t” a bother relatively…are getting moved while the others dont (BF110 and Solothurn has annoyed me)

One extra round to kill is extremely impactful- not noticing this makes me question your involvement in the game

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Funny because they have been nerfed by uptiering.

Meanwhile, neither the body armour, the SVT38 or the BR2 SMGs had been adressed beyond moving down the Beretta M38/42 and thinking about it, the Soviets so far only faced lower BR ratings but rarely if ever uptiering.

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I think we are in the excel theoretical grievance land again.

I talk about the overall competitiveness and match experience - and it has not made any difference to me here. The soviet teams I play against don’t have any meaningfully noticeable concentration of body armours, where the rpm-distance-my own aim makes about 100x more meaningful difference than body armour in terms of bullets to kill. I generally shoot till dead, recommend the same for others.

So what I’m saying is that the average soviet team is too shit for body armors to make any difference in the match. I suppose in a highly competitive clan match they might.

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Things that are too strong on Soviet side:

BR2:

  • PPS-42
  • PPS-43
  • Uragan
  • Winchester
  • T-28E
  • P-40E-1
  • Fedorov Rifle
  • Sb-2m
  • IL-2
  • Su-2
    Plus BR1 bonus:
  • Hurricane mk IIB + I-153 (BR1)
  • PTRS-41 (BR1)

Their smgs are completely overshadowing anything that Germany has at BR2, even MAS-38 with higher rof got massive nerf to it’s damage and accuracy while the next patch they have added Uragan that is MAS-38 but much better.

At BR2 we shouldn’t have smgs with higher than 690rpm anything more should have penalties like MAS-38 (low dmg) or Beretta M1918 (bad sights and low mag size), PPS-42/43 need a nerf (42 is way too accurate) and Uragan needs to go up in BR it could get a bit buff to it’s dmg to be sidegrade to ppsh-41 box.

Winchester is M93 but with better stats

T-28E is the best all rounder tank at BR2 it can deal with anything you throw at it outside of highly armored premiums like pz3m, it can murder infantry with it’s great HE spamming capability and multiple MGs, it can murder 95% of the German tanks with ease even in uptiers it can wreck them.

P-40 on Soviet side is much stronger than on American side as it has 250kg x2 + 100kg bomb

Fedorov is a new addition and it instantly has become the best semi auto at BR2 while Armaguerra is still crap

Sb-2m - has 6 bombs at BR2 and absolutely broken 12sec turn rate

IL-2 - 8 strong rockets at BR2 why? while you were taking away all german rocket planes to BR3-4 while Soviets have multiple Rocket spamming planes.

Su-2 - yet another bomber with 6 bombs that can be spammed along with sb-2m

Hurricane + I-153 - rocket spam even at BR1

PTRS-41 - strongest at rifle at BR1 while at same time they gave Germany laughably bad Solothurn

BR3:

  • PPSh-41 box
  • PPD-1944
  • Yak-9k
  • KV-1
  • T-34 (but mostly vs heat)
  • SVT-38 (due ultra fast reload speed)

PPSh-41 box has broken dispersion and Germany has only event smgs that could rival it (but not win against it as their dispersion is high).

PPD-1944 Soviet players claim it’s fair to have 71 round smg with 630rpm while Germany has at best smg with just 30 rounds and 810 rpm their reason is because “ppsh-41 box is better” yeah no shit it’s better as it’s the most broken smg in the game, you have no authority of complaining Germany has nothing good to buy at BR3 absolutely nothing when it comes to smgs, TZ-45 is painfully mediocre and inferior to even BR2 MP719(r) squad.

Yak-9 need to go up in BR as it can destroy KT with ease (p2w) → BR4

KV-1/T-34 are menace to fight you always need to have faust on you or are willing to spawn a plane otherwise you will be in live of pain, even pz4h can struggle as you need to be pixel accurate against their turret, while they will 1hk you at any region of your weak panzer’s armor. Best armor no armor? Not in Enlisted.

SVT-38 too overpowered with it’s ultra fast reload need clip reload or take G43 to BR3 and buff G41 reload speed.

They should also have less stolen fausts as their tanks are much stronger.

BR4/5:

  • AT-44
  • Fedorov Avtomat
  • Fedorov Rifle
  • Fedorov MG
  • RD-44
  • AS-44
  • Nkvd Thompson
  • PPSh-41 drum
  • PPD-40
  • La-7
  • Su-9

AT-44 after buff have quickly become the most reliable and accurate AR in the game
Fedorov Avotomat - is pretty much the best SF rifle in a game but is used by Assaulters it should not exist as none of them were firing faster than 400rpm in real life it’s a fantasy weapon that even got completely depleted by 1942/43

Fedorov MG - best version of Fedorov Avtomat that is even more accurate for some reason it’s a BR4 weapon despite having power of BR5

Fedorov Rifle - just the most overpowered semi rifle in a game, 1hk kills even at 100m (vs vitality)

RD-44 - the best TT MG in a game it can be used like AR it’s that accurate and powerful always kills in two hits at usual distances, first few shots are really accurate and you can counter snipe snipers

AS-44 - just straight up better STG44 with additional bayonet because Soviet bias

Nkvd Thompson - best smg in a game good bye Conders, always 2hit kill at close range while Conders feels like a nerf gun with it’s weak damage against Vit+body armor

PPSh-41 - non vet German players has zero smgs at BR5
PPD-40 - Germany at BR4 has zero drum smgs at BR4

La-7 very good plane, it has better turn rate than anything that Germany has at BR5

Su-9 straight upgrade over Me262

Universal overpowered stuff:

  • 2x Soviet paratroopers
  • Body armor
  • RMN-50
  • Assault engineers with 6x Fedorovs

Their paras can play at any BR and carry 6x smgs (they have 15HP ofc even without body armor because screw you Germany)

Armor can be used at any BR to boost their HP with Vitality to 15HP which makes all German weapons outside of bolties and lmgs just useless.

RMN-50 was never nerfed unlike all nade launchers of other nations, instead of nerfing it just buff nade launchers to it’s initial aoe damage but keep reload much longer

Fedorovs are much stronger than anything that Germany has, they have no equivalent and 6x of them for both Engineers and 2x Paratroopers that can also carry most overpowered MG in a game is way too much.

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I think you are missing soviet bayonets from the list. Have you not noticed they OHK you?

Op, nerf nerf.

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So? Germany has VG with even better stats?

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You mean they nerfed pz3n by giving it heat in the new BR? :grinning:

Right.

The HEAT surely do wonders against BR4 vehicles such as the Jumbo or the IS-1.
Right.

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Infantry support tank is not a TD and uptiers can be challenging, news at eleven.

Which is why we dont have a lot of them in higher BR, especially since most medium tank in higher BR already have potent HE.
Sp by that account the new HEAT is useless in return for getting wrecked constantly by higher BR vehicles.

So also move T-28, the short-barrel Panzer IVs and the M8 to BR3 so we can got more challenges for all. Maybe also move the M4 105mm ans the Chi HA Short Barrel to BRIV for shits and giggles.

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Feel free to pitch that. Or you know, just use tje short-barreled PZIV or maybe the stalingrad pz3n variant? You know the one which can be side-penned by the BR 1 at weapons it matches against? :grinning:

I guess competitiveness feels like oppression if you are used to seal clubbing br1s in your pz3n.

Dunno why you laugh.
It makes your arguments dumber and dumber to the point you struggle to justify the existence of the BR3 rating for the Panzer III N.
But rofl lol and camel emoij I guess.

According to your own words you can still use the Panzer III N for that if you happened to buy the SG Pass.
So that “argument” in favor of BR3 also falls flat here.

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I wish you would get some of your own medicine then.

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