An already existing mechanic for implementing machine guns without buttstock (with only pistol grip)

I was thinking about this when I suggested that some subfactions/new nations could be added, some weapons (not that much as some might think), would have to be removed from certain nations, because they never used these, but then, with what new weapons do we replace them ?
The topic in question (feel free to check it) :

And I thought about some iconic weapons for the americans, for example the M1917A1 and M1919A4:
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Problem, as you can see, these weapons only have a pistol grip, no buttstock, and were made to be used on a tripod. However, deploying the tripod for these MGs during a firefight was risky and ttime consuming, and the soldiers obviously didn’t like that part. So, they developed new methods to use these machine guns on the move, as you can see below (the short comes from a guy who is a reenactor, his videos seem to be quite accurate and informative, because I saw other guys saying complete bullshit on other channels, but this one seems quite good) :

So, now that we know that these MGs were often used this way by the soldiers, how do we implement these guns in the game ? Because we obviously can’t aim down sights with a machine gun without buttstock, Enlisted might be arcadey, but it is not COD, or another game of that kind.

And then, here comes an already existing mechanic in this game, which is only present on the Type 5 recoilless rifle of the japanese faction:
Default position:

Aiming down sights position:
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Basically, this gun is operated like this, because it had no sights at all (I’m not joking, it had ZERO sights, the guy had to shoot this gun just by the feeling).

And as we can see, with the machine guns above, you could definitely not ADS while you were using the gun without the tripod, so I suggest that the machine guns without buttstocks and only a pistol grip should use the same mechanic of zooming while standing, just like the Type 5 recoilless rifle, and you could then use the sights of the machine gun only if you mount the gun on a wall or mounting it when you are in a lying position. Please note, that this would only apply to the machine guns with the characteristics that I cited above, THE MACHINE GUNS WITH ONLY SPADE GRIPS SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.

That way, we could add some iconic machine guns to the game, while adding new gameplay mechanics, which would make the game better.

A few fun facts:
You might think that this mechanic could make the game less realistic, but in Squad 44 (formerly Post-Scriptum), a way more realistic game than Enlisted, this exact mechanic with the M1919A4 is already in the game, and that’s what gave me this idea to be honest.
Another thing: using such types of machine guns as LMGs wasn’t only done by the US soldiers, here you can see a Breda 38 with a makeshift bipod, so it could make a cool addition to a potential italian subfaction/nation:
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Link to the site of the pic:

If you are interested by other suggestions/ideas of mechanics, feel free to check another of my topics that I update sometimes with new ideas; I did a new topic specifically for this MG mechanic, because it would give it more visibility, and my post would have been probably a bit too long for only a single suggestion, as you can see here, and I really wanted to give more visibility to this suggestion. The other topic in question, the suggestions are not only in the top post, but from the beginning to the ā€œendā€ of the topic :

That’s it for now !

Share your thoughts about this suggestion, and don’t forget that your likes give more visibility to this topic, so more chances that the devs will consider it !

Thanks ! :slightly_smiling_face:

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this seems uncomfortable… seems like a recipe for scrambled eggs…

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As a fan of hip fire shooting in this game. I approve :+1:

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I think it’s perhaps a bit inspired by John Basilone’s way of hip firing a belt-fed Browning. But his overhand grip technique was different, I think. Plus the contraption he came up with to avoid burning his hand while carrying it.

Here in the photo it does look uncomfortable with that awkward grip, like it’s barely holding it. But yeah, Basilone’s technique and the ā€˜handle’ he used would be a better representation for this type of hip firing. It looks more badass.

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It seems it wasn’t only used by this guy, soldiers generally used these MGs like this in case of emergency when they didn’t have time to deploy the tripod, and with the mechanic I suggested, it would be a bit like that ingame: an emergency case. For the MG to be really efficient, you would have to mount it somewhere so you can use the sights.
Plus, as I said, the M1919A4 with this mechanic is already in the game Squad 44, which is a way more realistic game than Enlisted.

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How does Squad deal with mounting the M1919A4 down on a tripod, if at all?

In Squad 44, you just use the gun as I have described above, it is just how this gun is used: no ADS, unless you use the mounting mechanic, which is just like the mounting mechanic in Enlisted that you can use with every gun. The player doesn’t ā€œuse the tripodā€. But of course, fixed emplacements of the M1919A4 on a tripod exist, just like the MG nests in Enlisted.

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So the player just places the bare M1919A4 onto the ground, no tripod no nothing?

Yes, on the ground or a wall, just like you can do in Enlisted.

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That seems really scuffed considering that the M1919A4 ejects directly downwards. Even ignoring that, with neither a secured mount like a tripod nor the stability provided by the 3 points of contact thanks to a buttstock, I don’t think the gun would be very controllable even if mounted on the ground.

Sure, but in the end, it’s still a videogame, so it can be slightly inaccurate if it can make the game more enjoyable. And if gaijin decides not to be lazy, they could still model a tripod when using the gun while mounted somewhere, but it would just be for visual accuracy, it wouldn’t change anything gameplay-wise.

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I would suggest that it gets put down onto a tripod after a short delay kind of like when building stuff as an engineer, having to put more planning into setting the gun down in exchange for having a very stable platform with a high belt capacity when you do would help further distinguish it from regular LMGs.

I am not opposed to this idea, but then, 2 big problems would arise :
-What would be the difference with normal MG nests ? Why should we use this new mechanic instead of the normal MG nests ?
-If such a mechanic is implemented, then this would also have to be implemented to all other LMGs that used a tripod that are already in the game, and there is a fair amount of them.

I suggested the mechanic in this topic because this wouldn’t be too hard to do for the devs, because, as I said, it kind of already exists with the Type 5, so it wouldn’t be too hard for them to implement a very similar mechanic. Because we all know that the devs of Enlisted seem to have very limited resources at the moment. Hopefully they will have a bit more resources once Active Matter will be released.

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Well a MG nest is a permanent structure that can used by anyone as opposed to a gun tied to a specific guy. It also gets infinite ammo.

I thought the idea was that this system would be implemented on new MMGs like the M1919A4 or M1917 as opposed to pre-existing LMGs, especially those which can be shouldered and fired fine.

Yes, but then if these new MGs could get a tripod mechanic that could reduce the recoil even more than when you just simply mount them, people will then ask : ā€œHey, the MG34 and MG42 also had light tripods, so why not them too ?ā€ And I am pretty sure that many people would like to find a way to reduce the recoil of these MGs. Again, I am not opposed to this idea, but this would involve way more things if it is implemented, and I doubt that the devs have the will to spend a lot of time on this, at least at the moment, hopefully they will have more resources in the future. That’s why I think that just having a ā€œcosmetic tripod when mounting the weaponā€ would be fine for now, but hopefully your idea could be implemented in the future.

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