Ammo Boxes Resupply Grenades and Rifle Grenades

[你的肛门比较松弛如果做痔疮手术的]

It will only make this game worse, imagine you are attacking, one of the enemy has the high ground and start to create a artillery bragge

[Naohmcete]

I will yell till end of times,mines arent op

[FLAG03]

Then I’ll send smoke and bombs at them
And use flamethrowers in the rear to execute those deserters who passively fight.
advance or die

[FLAG03]

you’re right
But I don’t want to face an enemy who keeps throwing Molotov cocktails and rifle grenades at me when I’m attacking alone.
Because those casual players and novices basically won’t help share the pressure and attention.
They will just walk forward to die or hide behind and wait to die

[remnar]

Ah yes, the noob tube. The classic video game weapon class which has caused endless grief in the past. The reason why they don’t resupply is simple - Anyone can use them. Almost every class can use a grenade rifle, and obviously everyone can use grenades.

I, personally, don’t think that AOE weaponry should be resuppliable. Mines, grenades, launcher 'nades, mortars, flamer ammo, t he RMN-50 (it resupplies cuz its technically a mortar, I bet) shouldn’t be able to be resupplied. This cuts down drastically on spam.

Reminder, an engineer can put down three ammo boxes at once (and you can call in more with the signals squad!). That’s a lot of grenades being shot and thrown and I don’t think we need that. We already have: AT guns with nearly infinite HE shelling points (and super wonky hit boxes so it’s difficult to actually destroy them), tanks with nearly infinite HE shelling points, arty strikes, troops with 3 slots of grenades, AP mines for each trooper…

I’d say that, yeah, explosives and what not is a part of war…but some concessions need to be made for gameplay quality. This isn’t quake 3 where you can both dodge and tank multiple rockets before dying.

[robihr]

let me give you an example of abusing that:

• you pick up grenade throw perk for extra range
• you build ammo crate at some place with view to chokepoint
• you just spam impact grenades
• nobody can move through that choke point

@GiltBurrito7238

What I don’t get is why do people complain about explosive “spam” in a war game. I’m sure other games have similar “complaints” but in my experience it just really seems like this game in particular is explosive-phobic. But even then, in a war game it is the golden standard that there will be tons of explosive chaos. I’ve never had a problem with this

It’s like mines. People are literally complaining about mines doing the job they are literally designed to do. Why?

Personally I just think the crux of the issue is some people can’t handle a war game. You will die over and over again, that’s just what happens. I’m not complaining

you know what is also present in war? friendly fire. if you just enabled friendly fire, he spam wouldnt be such a problem anymore.

@GiltBurrito7238

Grenades and rifle grenades are support items for the team effort just as much as anything else

yeah “support”. that is why they were nerfed so much cause everyone was just using them for “support”. explosive pack meta, WP meta, impact grenade meta, rifle grenade meta… people were using more of those grenades than actually guns.

@GiltBurrito7238

But the entire point of a mine is that it is a sneaky trap you didn’t see coming

trap that magically doesnt trigger when friendly player goes over it, but somehow triggers when enemy comes over it.

[GiltBurrito7238-live]

@robihr

let me give you an example of abusing that:

• you pick up grenade throw perk for extra range
• you build ammo crate at some place with view to chokepoint
• you just spam impact grenades
• nobody can move through that choke point

I understand the fear, but I usually fall back on the “chaos principle” (lol). Simply put how long can that guy survive doing that.

• Maybe friendly planes rocket him the moment he leaves spawn
• maybe his whole AI squad gets wiped
• maybe you (or anyone else) snuffs him out after he gets you a couple times,
• maybe your team is rushing the objective so fast he has no time to do anything
• etc etc

My point is in battle anything can happen, anything goes.

@robihr

you know what is also present in war? friendly fire. if you just enabled friendly fire, he spam wouldnt be such a problem anymore.

First I would say everyone draws the gameplay vs realism line differently, everyone has different standards. I look at it as, you (the soldier player) can do pretty much anything, but you can’t kill your own team.

However I will say that I have thought that friendly fire could be interesting. It would really shake up the gameplay flow. I’m not saying it could immediately be slapped on and made the new standard, but I do think it would be interesting as say an “experimental mode” (like lone fighters was once). You know see what happens, take it from there. But regardless I would say any sort of friendly fire wouldn’t be for a long long time

Like me personally one of my pipe dreams is a Giant Battle.

@robihr

yeah “support”. that is why they were nerfed so much cause everyone was just using them for “support”. explosive pack meta, WP meta, impact grenade meta, rifle grenade meta… people were using more of those grenades than actually guns.

I mean they were certainly good at their job for better or worse.

@robihr

trap that magically doesnt trigger when friendly player goes over it, but somehow triggers when enemy comes over it.

Like I said before about gameplay vs realism lines. Though I will say that if an enemy triggers the mine tactically by shooting it or perhaps a grenade triggering it, then I think it could damage the team, like playing hot potato with grenades