All allied and axis armour

[Mishaa76]

Tbh, Jumbo was never problem when i met him with Panzer IV, with infantry it was little problem, but not that big as would be KV imo.

[_31420124242011]

@947622

but the game has to be fun for both teams.

Then why is Normandy still in game

@846391

Tbh, Jumbo was never problem when i met him with Panzer IV, with infantry it was little problem, but not that big as would be KV imo.

We have to worry about how the average shitter would deal with it though

I can kill upwards of 7-9 tanks with detpacks a match (provided that many show up, of course)
But the average person throws fucking frags at tanks and that’s who we have to worry about to an extent

[Mishaa76]

Yep, teammates are biggest problem of every game.

[Duncan2012]

@846391

Or they can give them capturet T-34 and everyone will have same chance.

expect a wave of soviet players screeching about historical accuracy if that happens (even though germans used captured T-34’s in small numbers)

Allowing the german engineers to build 88mm flak guns would somewhat balance things but would be difficult to call it true balance as the emplacements are static and easy kills for arty/sturmoviks and would have to be moved constantly when on offence.

[Duncan2012]

@_31420124242011

the average person throws fucking frags at tanks

A well placed grenade can break a tank’s tracks, immobilizing it.
As long as you have something that explodes, you can damage a tank’s external modules with it

[_31420124242011]

Frags don’t do shit, dude
They’ll pop the wheels on the Ba-11 I think but those could have been detpacks I barely dodged

[Duncan2012]

They do; try it - you basically have to place it under their track but the damage is done when they explode and break a track from it.

I know it works because I’ve done it more than once when out of detpacks

[TheCatequil]

@WidowMakerUk73

more at placements

@LegoProdigy

->FlaK-36 was in moscow
->w-we have nothing to counter the Kv-1

Right, like a stationary, unprotected, unresponsive 88mm flak gun is going to be perfectly balanced to a highly mobile medium (T-34) or heavy (KV-1) tank that are pretty much immune to most stuff the Germans got in the campaign? Yeah no. That is dumb.

@_31420124242011

Detpacks nuke the T-34-85 and Panther via the roof

Except explosive packs in Berlin are literal nukes and have way more power than in the other campaigns.

@_31420124242011

Literally just bomb it

Ok then we are getting Tiger 2H for Normandy? “Just bomb it lul” - yeah no that’s also just dumb.

@_31420124242011

shoot the drivers hatch with the 50mm PzIII

So what if a player doesn’t have that Pz3? And why would we have to shoot a tiny weak spot as a “balancing measure” to something literally just * existing * ?

@_31420124242011

And mailslotting drivers ports in Enlisted actually works where in WT they’re just counted as part of whatever plate they’re on without any difference.

Nope, we also have volumetric armor in Enlisted.

@_31420124242011

Gunshield included obviously

Would only make it easier to hit for tanks as with the flakvierling you can just shoot anywhere and it explodes.

@_31420124242011

And they’re never absent if you build them yourself))

Aka forcing every German player to bring an engineer squad instead of assaulter or gunner squad, significantly nerfing their ability to capture points unless those players paid for premium

@_31420124242011

Just like the Jumbo vs the PzIVs in Normandy.

Which has proven to be absolutely stupid and Jumbo should be removed, lol.

@_31420124242011

This is more for fun than anything.

Except it would ruin the fun for anyone that does not have the KV-1, even teammates. It would take much longer to kill it than any other tank, meaning that less players get to play with tanks due to the spawn limit.

@846391

Tbh, Jumbo was never problem when i met him with Panzer IV, with infantry it was little problem, but not that big as would be KV imo.

Jumbo at least only has effective frontal armor, while KV-1 has effective armor all around.

@947622

@947622

but the game has to be fun for both teams.

Then why is Normandy still in game

ok.

@44073275

expect a wave of soviet players screeching about historical accuracy if that happens

They were screeching without their T-34, and will be screeching if both sides get the T-34. Except if neither side gets it, the game is somewhat balanced. Seems like a clear choice in terms of which one is better.

@44073275

Allowing the german engineers to build 88mm flak guns would somewhat balance

Refer to above. They would be as useless as the current anti-tank emplacements. Do keep in mind that gun depression is trash on the 88 as well, and that it is larger, requiring more flat space to build.

I still see 0 reason to ever add these tanks.

[LegoProdigy]

[POP GAMES1212@live]

Tcat: fun isn’t allowed only pain
Also, they already added the jumbo so i don’t think we should talk about “unpenable from the front” thingy.

Also Pz 38 remember…

[_31420124242011]

@5762269

Right, like a stationary, unprotected, unresponsive 88mm flak gun is going to be perfectly balanced to a highly mobile medium (T-34) or heavy (KV-1) tank that are pretty much immune to most stuff the Germans got in the campaign? Yeah no. That is dumb.

@5762269

Except explosive packs in Berlin are literal nukes and have way more power than in the other campaigns.

Provide proof of this claim since the armor they’re blowing through is thinner than the front of the Pz38 which the Moscow packs can also blow up.

@5762269

Ok then we are getting Tiger 2H for Normandy? “Just bomb it lul” - yeah no that’s also just dumb.

That would actually be awful because the KT H is too large to make use of and would be relegated to sitting in spawn on the majority of the maps unable to move forward.
If the maps on Normandy were better it’d be awesome.

@5762269

So what if a player doesn’t have that Pz3? And why would we have to shoot a tiny weak spot as a “balancing measure” to something literally just * existing * ?

Then use one of the many other ways, but knowing German teams I see why a solution that takes even half a braincell is shit on by you lmfao

@5762269

Nope, we also have volumetric armor in Enlisted.

That doesn’t disprove me at all. The viewport is a major weakspot on the PzII and the T-60 which is also the spot you shoot to one shot the both of them.

@5762269

Would only make it easier to hit for tanks as with the flakvierling you can just shoot anywhere and it explodes.

AT guns are actually tanky as shit if you don’t blow out the breech or something critical with your first shot. I’ve lost slugging fights with them despite hitting them with multiple shrap and HE rounds
Both the 52-K and PaK38 have this issue. But I’m not going to use that as a reason because that’s more a bug than anything.

@5762269

Aka forcing every German player to bring an engineer squad instead of assaulter or gunner squad, significantly nerfing their ability to capture points unless those players paid for premium

It’s not like they do anything helpful at all to begin with so that’s a moot point

@5762269

KV-1 has effective armor all around.

Not on the roof. So not all around :^)

You must lead an exciting life to look at something people are talking about for fun and just shit out something barely anyone will actually read with utter seriousness

[TheCatequil]

@_31420124242011

You must lead an exciting life to look at something people are talking about for fun and just shit out something barely anyone will actually read with utter seriousness

Unlike you I actually put thoughts in my replies.

You just say okay to anything that seems cool, even if it will fuck up all balance.

@81161750

Also Pz 38 remember…

Another dumb tank. Should have been the A model, not the F model.

[Jackiey123]

Well Jumbo vs puma is also not