This in my experience can 1 shot a Jumbo I don’t think its that bad.
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Idc about that I care that I have to use a British machine gun on my U.S Marine Corps machine gun squad at rank 2 America and most definitely the Marines never used the Bren we did test Lewis(This is technically an American design)guns but they were rejected.
“They didn’t adopt the BREN probably because it was seen as being a marginal improvment on the BAR. Especially when the American squad had two BARs. And many Americans were of the opinion that American arms were better than any foreign weapons.” Tarjei Jensen
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Please I’d give anything for Japan to have some truly viable TT BR III options, I’m desperate for something other than the B5N2 in my BR III line-up. I think the B7A Ryusei would be absolutely perfect for the intended role.
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I can’t agree more! It’s a no brainer to add it to BR III.
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‘Soviets have the best’ when talking about BR-II and BR-III LMG is a joke. They get the worst of any faction.
Dont get me wrong I like my DP guns but they are worse that KE7, MG34 and BAR. Madsen is just bad bad bad.
Not saying they should get any better, just saying your soviet bais narative is dumb in this context.
congratulations… you managed to find one weapon class on low BR that almost nobody uses in almost all nations(well except BAR). why dont you talk about all the relevant weapons? or body armor? or copying german tech tree when soviets dont have best weapon?
there is soviet bias at least regarding equipment.
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Yea, the discussion was about BRII and BRIII. So the point in this case is that complaining here about Soviet bias is really stupit.
And no, low BR machine guns do matter, especially for Germans and Japanese which have some very useful LMG’s which I use a lot. Its not BAR level but stil useful on BRII
I think the Sovjet Bias discussion is kind of stupit anyway. I play both faction on all BF and never really feel the Germans are any less powerfull. On high BR body armour should be removed because its just silly, but German mains pretending it is the one factor winning Soviets every match is just dumb.
all those points are relevant for BR2 and BR3. smg are meta, not lmg and soviets have best smg out of all factions. soviets also get US bazooka which is excellent against low tier german tanks. not to mention body armor. they have diverse tanks that can match anything germans can field with KV1 on BR3 being one of the best tanks for low tier battles and they have best BR3 SA. their only disadvantage is not having SA on BR2(which are crap for all nations) and worse low BR lmg(opposite on high tier). btw they even introduced winchester to have highest rof BA rifle which is on par with manlicher
it is not THE one factor, but it is one of the factors that give soviet advantage. try finding anything that germans actually have advantage over soviets. KT, low tier LMG, BR2 SA are only categories where germans have advantage over soviets and 2 of those are irrelevant for meta gameplay. just going to put disclaimer about planes cause idk how they compare to each other, but from what i saw they are comparable, but will mention that germans still have broken flight model for fw190.
soviets at every tier have either advantage from their domestically produced weapons or are using lend lease/captured weapons to be on par or better than germans. +body armor just to give slight advantage.
btw i am not german main and play all factions
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KV1 is literally mid BR tank. The best low BR tank is Pz III N. Which is even superior to KV-1 in anti infantry capabilities. And you can cycle 3 of them if you are veteran.
Germans do have the best bolt action for low BRs. And they do have TT BR2 semi rifle unlike soviets.
And they do have extreme variety in premium/events stuff. Germans are literally the only faction that has BR2 AR engineers (yet another reason why Mkb 35 should not have been reclassified to AR).
4 engineers with full auto weapons at BR2 is far stronger and versatile than anything that Soviets can offer. Literally there’s nothing that’s more meta than engineers with full autos.
Yet literally nobody cares about it. It’s always just Soviets and their ugly body armor, lol.
Germany is definitely not suffering on low BRs, lol.
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Soviet Bias is real but not primary in stats.
Soviets are sole faction that can used captured gear. It is required for balance, yes, but the Allies also need a potent high BR RL and did not get it so far. Germans sole captured weapon was removed because reasons.
Soviets can also get land-lease gear, which is also fine, but again Allies do not even get the Panzerfaust they also used en masse.
Soviets are sole faction that have free cosmetics that affect weapon performace (beyond helmets).
When it was announced that FG42s finally get auto in default and dispersion fix for the sniper version, Russians conplained about the AVS not getting full auto (which is reasonable). But guess which gun got full auto on default first? The AVS.
(Soviets are sole faction that get customizable paratrooper squad while rest sticks with fixed weapons and therefore fixed BRs.)
Plus minus the ridiculous dispersion of the PPSH Stick version they didnt fix as of now.
Really, in terms content BS, I think only Japan can compete with the ridiculous shield BRIV LMG for paras.
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In other words, to play Germany at low BR2, you need to pay money.
Allies are angry because they can’t even get their own gear, M3 Half-track, Lewis LMG are for Soviets only even though they were supplied to them by lend-lease.
Now Soviets will get the best Thompson too 
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he made argument about BR2 and BR3, so i provided arguments for those tiers. i would agree that pz3 N is best tank on BR2, but soviets are not lagging far behind. they have t28e for less effective HE spammer and t50 with dual MG (can get lots of infantry kills) and great anti tank capability.
what do you define as best? cause they pretty much have comparable rifles. if you are talking about rof, they both have 76 rof BA with soviets getting winchester.
i am talking about TT. if you want to talk about premium, soviets arent without their share of OP/unique squads. e.g. customizable paratroopers which are even more versatile than br2 AR engineers.
soviet bias<>germany suffers. it just means that soviets get lots of small advantages compared to any other nation.
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Okay some parts I agree with a bit.
body armour → agree, should be removed, if only for the fact it looks silly as fuck
customizable para → yeah would be nice, I play both factions and its kind of annoying I cant use my Germans para on low BR. Same goes for Japs and US (and also, no, jap para’s are not that overpowered boys, stop overexaggerating).
But then you say Soviet is the sole faction for captured gear … whut???
What about the ZK, ZB, MAS, ZH, The polish gold order, a tank from Checkoslowakia and much more. Germans gets lots of captured shit. So no your just wrong.
Thats ecactly were my frustration with the hole ‘soviet bias’ narative comes from. Everything in which the Soviets have even the smallest advantage is enlarged into a grand narative of Gaijin loving the Soviet faction and hatting the Germans. This narative is employed even when the Soviets have a disadvantage such as in the example of the low BR LMG’s.
Thats the problem and my main frustration. I play Germans a lot and I want the faction to improve. Balance is of course important to that, but to constantly nag about ‘Soviet bais’ gets us knowhere.
All weapons not used by other factions but by nations that are not ingame.
Totally the same.
No, just Type Hei on steroids (which itself is already far better than the FG42 or the AVT) on lower BR with a shield that protects you from headshots.
Completely normal.
ONE point whose criticism does not even make sense. ONE point… (because of stupid “TeChNiCaLly” that is not even following the rules of the devs.)
… out of how many again? 5, 6?
Countered.
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i never said they are sole faction for captured gear. i said their lend lease or captured equipment ensures that they are on par or have advantage at same tier when combined with their own equipment. something that no other nation gets.
on high BR they have panzerfaust, nothing wrong there, but where is panzerfaust for US/japan?
they use german pak40 that has great penetration (well until BR5), where is pak40(or nation equivalent) for US/japan
on low tier they get bazooka, why shouldnt germans get captured bazooka?
highest rof BA is german, so soviets accidentally get winchester with same rof. btw where is winchester for US or japan?
why dont germans get captured pps42/43 or ppsh(outside of event)?
when low BR meta become LMG come here again. so please tell me about all other weapons where soviet isnt on par or has advantage over germany except for KT.
BA - on par with germany
SMG - clear advantage over all tiers for soviets
SA - on BR3 soviet advantage, on BR4 on par with each other
SF - without body armor german advantage, with body armor soviet advantage (just based on potential killing power). if there wasnt body armor i would easily want buff for AVT to get 20 rounds magazine.
AT weapons - on par with germany with maybe slight advantage to soviets cause of bazooka (german counterpart sucks)
AR - advantage soviets (as44 is just stg44 with bayonet and there is fedorov)
LMG - on low BR german advantage, on high BR soviet advantage
tanks - mostly on par, with BR5 clear advantage germany
when DF starts giving same treatment to other nations as they do to the soviets then we will stop nagging about soviet bias.
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In regards to captured weapons:
Yes its kind of the same. In a lot of cases its gear that the Soviets actually used. The Winchester is an example. Its US but the US did not is it in its army at all. Soviet did because they had a large stockpile from Tsarist times. Thats why they have an American gun that US itself does not have (not that the US should complain because they have Lee Enfield). And do you want Soviets and Americans to have the same stuf? I play all factions and I like the diversity of weapons. (The only real counter example is panzerfaust, ill give you that one).
The main problem here is that Soviets only have lend lease to draw from, Germans have masses of captured weapons and Italian weapons, the US has English and French and a masive and diverse industry of their own. So, were should the Soviet weapon diversity come from? (same kind of problem for the Japs btw. Thats why they get Swiss weapons like the KE7 and the SIG).
For Japs para:
Look when BRIV start becoming a real think then maybe its a bit to strong, but its not unreasonably strong + Japs are weak as fuck on the rest of BR IV so why not just let them be a bit asymmetrical in their strengths and weaknesses?
For the last point:
Well you barely made a point and are clearly misunderstanding mine. My point was NOT that LMG disproves soviet bais specifically, my point was that you guys spin a narrative and try to put anything into it. So blindly believing in a conspiracy that darkflow is anti-German and pro Soviet that you guys are just straight up complaining about even things which are straight up German benifits.
Soviet is a strong faction I agree, especially because they have better SMG, but German is very competitive. If you want to win with Germans then well … i hate to say it but mate, get gud … but if not at least stop filling the forums with ‘Soviet bais’ because its not very productive for actually getting some balance reworks.
Alright this discusion between us is going nowhere.
However, I am starting to understand better were you are coming from. So let met just aks you some questions so I know exactly:
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first you say you want for instance bazooka for japs and Germans, but they already haber GrB and Type something rocket thing (forgot name). But, does that not make the factions boring? If they all have the same shit?
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Second the list you give does not sound like masive soviet bias, so, what gives them the main edge acording to you? How does some small benifits translate into ‘soviet bais’?
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You say other nations dont get the same treatment but what makes you feel Soviets gets better treatment? What treatment are you specificly talking about?
(Because I feel only Japs really gets neglected and even they have gotten some attention the past year).
No, unless there is Czechoslovakia in the game.
The devs stated in the past that they do not add captured weapons unless they are required for balance.
And is the Czech junk needed for balance? No. Nobody uses the ZB or the ZK. Removing them would even reduce the pain because the TT is less filled with junk people need to research and buy.
So the devs do not see them as captured stuff.
Also, a lot if not all of the “captured” stuff from the Germans was still produced or modified under German supervision so it is not even captured anymore.
Unlike the Panzerfaust, which was not produced by the USSR (or the Allies) during WW2 but captured in large quantities. Or the MP717(r).
It is not a captured weapon unless captured weapons are stuff captured from White Russia and Tsarist stock 20 years ago…
It is a foreign weapon they never produced and not captured.
No. that is not the reason. Not from those devs. They simply needed to give Russia something and went lazy.
No.
They need a BR2 LMG? There is a DP with stripper ammo.
They need the P40, A20, or the Hurricane? They do not need neither. There are plently of Soviet planes to choose from…
They need the Panzerfaust? Give them proto rocket launchers. The Japs already have launchers they never issued to frontline units outside Japanese main isles.
Captured weapons which do not follow ingame definition and were also produced under German supervision.
And there are Italian squads.
Because there are British and US squads and there are no free French weapons, only one premium squads of French Arabs.
Why do we need diversity? No one uses the useless Toz. Remove it. Less grind for everyone. Remove more junk and reduce grind time in return.
You do know that BR4 can also face BR3 alone?
So please tell me how its stats and its shield and the paratroopers and the BRIV mess is not OP?
Japan has one of the best SFs, a better SMGs than the Allies and while they do not have nuke rockets, their fighters are better (if they start from the air) and even the Pershing struggles against the wood tank.
Japan is not weak, at least if their planes start from the air.
No and no.
You only talk about two or so. If the others are wrong, say why or shut up.
And again no. Your definition of captured weapons do no apply in the dev logic and in “TeChNiCal” manners because the Germans produced the shit and GO do not count because they are not in the TT or aim to create balance. They are gimmick weapons.
And was I talking about LMGs or complaining about LMGs?
Dont think so.
Alright Captain Sebekel,
In all due respect, your missing my main point and im going to stop responding to you.
But I’ll repeat it one last time. My main point is that there is indeed some balancing needed (recent FG II upgrade is a good start). However, that the narative about Soviet bais is a dumb conspiracy that overexaggerates the real differences between the factions. The balance in Enlisted is asymmetrical, which is always hard to balance and I think their doing fine. If you want better balance or suggest changes then please do so in a fashion were its constructive instead of just complaining and nagging about you favorate faction not beeing the best in all catogories.
I might be a bit of a bitch with this post but mate, were going nowhere with this so lets just stop. You can have a last word I’ll let you have it.
(I might respond to Robihr in this thread because I asked him some questions and I might want some follow up questions, but I’m going to stop making arguments).