Additional Squads with Premium is Pay To Win and needs to be reworked or removed

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Let’s all have a chat at the beginning.
Enlisted is a free to play game, and depends on active monetization in order to keep itself going.
The issue starts when those “Purchases” start giving players actual advantages over the ones that want to enjoy playing the game for free.

Enlisted opened it’s doors as a public beta 2 months ago, yet we already have:

  • Premium Currency
  • Battlepass
  • Premium Time
  • Restriced access to content

We still have Day 0 balance issues that haven’t been resolved, but rather overshadowed with new content (remind you of anything?).

Now let’s get to the point:

Purchase of Premium Time gives a player an additional slot for an infantry and a vehicle squad which is an advantage in any possible way.

While free player has to choose between a Tank or a plane, a premium time user can bring both of the units into a match, making them more versatile and giving them a chance to fight both vehicle types.
Same applies to infantry, no matter what you say, having an option to bring in an extra unit does make a difference to your playstyle.

Now, how do we fix it? - In general there are only 2 approaches:

Option A - Make squad size upgrade a part of campaign tree:
Give players option to unlock size upgrade through typical grind as this is what all free to play games are based around. For example giving players an extra Vehicle slot when they unlock their first plane and giving second unit slot whenever they unlock level II units. In addition the size upgrade would only apply to the faction that you unlocked it with and gaining extra slots for other nations and campaigns would require playing them through.
This system would allow you to still keep the existing premium benefits, since it would allow free players to eventually catch up.

Option B - Outright remove it
There is no middle ground for this. Either everyone has a chance for a fair fight via different methods of progression or noone gets to have it.

Enlisted is already suffering from sky-high grind and nothing is being done about it. Our War Thunder squadron tried Enlisted for couple of weeks, and then they decided to get Post Scriptum or Hell Let Loose as neither their money nor the time would be worth it in the long run.
Just as a fun fact - The cheapest pack on gaijin store is 33 Euros (that with a discount) which is cheaper than any of the games mentioned before.

Sidenote - There is a 5$ Starter pack, yet it is so useless that it isn’t even worth mentioning.

I really want to enjoy Enlisted since I do see potential in it, but unless we see stuff being done about the game, it can just aswell not exist, since we do have alternatives that do treat it’s customers with respect.

That’s all from me,
Thank you.

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Agreed, it’s pretty scummy which is a shame as Enlisted is an actually good game.

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We’ve been over this 3000000 times, an extra squad doesn’t make you a better player.

Next.

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This. More flexibility is ok unless it is locked behind paywall.
Let it be purchasable. But also let players who don’t want to pay real money for it get it with playing the game.

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Adding vehicles is debatable for this argument such as jumping in a plane to counter the enemy plane that just killed my tank, infantry squads I dont see any huge advantage other than being able to level more squads per game. A rifle is a rifle for the most part

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Fun fact.

If you see a 10th thread complaining about a certain thing that some people claim to only “arguably” be an issue, it’s probably actually an issue. People don’t just make things up. Instead of trying to keep arguing about how this is not pay to win, let’s instead discuss how we could fix this so both sides are satisfied.

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Add a slot so everyone can have a plane and tank. That way you dont have access to both only with premium

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Why not just make all of the bought permanent slots obtainable for free, given enough time? Just the 1 slot still would be less than the 2 extra slots from prem

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My thought was add a plane and tank for everyone but with premium you can bring 2 planes or 2 tanks and more infantry. Now everyone is flexible and can bring one of everything. Your method would also work but this way f2p players are still able to use everything but premiums still feels like premiums

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good joke.

do you have any better ones?.

back to the main topic,

for my personal experience, there are some things to break down.

i’ll start by saying that, i complealty agree with:

despite for how much we can stay here telling what’s good, and what’s wrong, unfortunately, as a matchmaker based on skill it’s not a thing, it’s really messing everything up.

on the other hand, i can’t really blain devs for not making a matchmaker based on skills. it would be nearly impossible. considering that the majority of the kills that players makes, are made on bots. second thing, mg42 are somewhat easy to use, and everyone gets alot of kills ( for the germans ). for the germans because it’s hard to tell for the americans what could be a match up for that players.

it’s generally really hard and messy to talk about a matchmaking.

all this little paragraph just to say that unfortunately, unbalance between players will always rise. and can’t be reworked nor removed.

perhaps by campaign levels… but we will end up having matches filled by bot instead of players. or worst scenario, players needs to wait 10 minuts before finding a match filled with players.

yeah… pretty much.

it’s a bit sad considering that they could make and made money from BP and premium squads.

i think those are good concepts if applied well. and perhaps, could come along side a cosmetic market.

but i guess we’ll never see this coming.

not only that, but you can buy additional slots ( when premium ) increasing the number of your squads.

which not only it gives you the ability to bring planes and tanks, but technically, also the ability to play vehicles no stop.

and even worse, more squads to revenge kill more easely or having only meta squads in the main line up.

screwing over what enlisted was all about.

you had to adapt your self during combat and relay on teammates.

not having the " easy " way to deal with everything.

it’s not skill based anymore.

i complealty agree.

i guess that first soluction could also work, but i’d rather avoid having the ability of getting everything. that way, we don’t have people playing tanks and planes at the same time. giving more role and cooperation ammong people in the team.

weather people yet complaing about lack of team play, i can assure anyone that the squad system it’s part of the main issue as it complealty remove the social interaction since you can just do everything your self.

pretty much.

i don’t really hate this game. but i recognize it’s flaw unlike many individuals.

as a alpha tester like many others, we had somewhat of a different game from now. despite our complains, very little changed.

and i really miss that experience of being worried about the objective instead of what the enemy can throw at me and very little i can do.

limitations as said above, were the reason why enlisted was fun and perhaps unique.

but that’s what i think of course.

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Premium time is for increasing grinding speed and will still do just that no matter whether the slots become free, or removed. Being able to bring at least 1 utility squad without being forced to spawn into it without premium is really important for that flexibility and as such F2Ps should get an infantry slot as well, or we go back to no extra slots whatsoever so everyone is forced to take a loadout that is flexible enough to handle most scenarios, which would also cut down on the amount of automatic weapons used.

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One day you and TCat will reach the intelligence level necessary to understand that an extra squad doesn’t make you a better player. Premium should stay as is, currently it’s worth supporting the game financially. Remove it and you remove part of it’s value.

Until then.

Cope
Seethe
Dilate

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Reach campaign level 25 = get an extra slot.

Problem solved.

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that sounds pretty much like we played during the alpha and closed beta.

now, i’m not against changes. but considering that this system gives the ability to bring more squads, objectively gives you literal advantage of bringing more powerfull squads right for the map, and use multiple vehicles with the ability to carry more of those automatic weapons, it’s not gameplay friendly towards everyone. and considerable pay to win causing the following scenarios.

if i team up with players that have premium, we can basically make D-Day even worse than what it is already.

i’ll bring the two squads of machineguns, 1 mortar, 1 plane, and 1 tank.
( being the best )

and now make it for 4, we end up having having more machineguns than the ones already present in the map.

sure, bombs can sweap left and right. but it’s just a complete chaos. and the only way to get actually ““equal”” is hoping for someone that has the same ammount of stuff and could deal with it.

because as far as i can tell, if i don’t get flanked, m5s have an hard time penetrating a PZ IV H.

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Make it level 10 and it would be fine. At level 25 you’re basically finished with that campaign and very likely to play a different campaign, resulting in the F2P rarely actually getting to use a slot unlocked at level 25.

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maybe you should be the one that should reach that necessary level to understand that it actually does. because you can bring half and/or more of the squads that the non premium does.

and gives you the ability to bring almost everything.

and a non payer player cannot.

but until than,

wake
up

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no?

it does not?

you should consider the option of working as a comedian. you would fit nicely.

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This 100%
Just because you have access to more slots doesn’t make you a better player.
A bad player is still a bad player, no matter the resources given to him

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I’ve argued this since before CBT
Plane slot and Tank slot should be available for all players f2p or paid

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I agree that “necessary ConVeNieNcE” squads should be unlockable through grind which would make the rest only a convenience that is not going to be so P2W. However, their complete removal is sadly, impossible to achieve.

I made suggestion about it, but sadly couldn´t manage to start any discussion, so it seems it died in the dust even with its considerable support.
Unlocking active squad slots through grind - English speaking section / Suggestions - Enlisted

However, thank you for making this thread, we really need to let devs know this system is not acceptable, and some more consumer friendly adjustments are needed to current active squad slot system. 2 Vehicle slots for F2P account would also help to solve the problem with pilots dominating skyes for entire battle by keeping sky as contested, as ground is…

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