Well. Berlin is purely balance otherwise the Germans would have a really hard time down there
Only in custom lobbies. Otherwise it would be too unbalanced.
That is true, most where already destroyed by their own crews
Tbh I am not that sure about KV being OP.
Advantages:
- Gun
- Armor
- Crew
Disadvantages:
- Big
- Slow
- Slow turret
- Slow gun
- Long reload time
- Limited ammo (HE will most likely not pen tanks for balance reasons)
- No machine gun
- Gun depression
You cant rush with it due to the long reload time, the turret design, engine power and the lack of a machine gun which either makes you a easy target for flankers or for getting TNTed. You have to aim for good targets (tanks and lange groups of inf) to make the shot worth.
Plus minus the disadvantage of driving a big and slow tank which is not necessary a advantage for advancing/ retreating.
In a nutshell, the KV would be a “sniper” tank which has many many limits and I doubt most people would master it. I wouldnt play it. The BT7/ BA11 have more tactical advantages for me and my team.
Well all WW2 tanks where quite unreliable, but those that took the crown on been so unreliable and rare that they where virtually non existent in the front where the early panthers, tigers and king tigers. With those last ones been so rare that the amount of times they fought in any theater of war, could be counted in one hand, maybe in the vast eastern front you might need to count them with two hands, but no more than that where out there to be found, not in one peace at least.
Bullshit.
If the Panthers etc.were so uncommon, then the Soviets wouldnt have the 85s and the IS-tanks. Same for the Western Allies with the Pershing, M36 or whatever the Tommies built.
6000 Panthers have been built, 1,3k Tiger H1s and Es, nearly 500 Tiger IIs (which faced extensive usage during the Adrenne Offensive)…
Uncommon lol… especially compared to a tank which has been built around 300-times and faced limited combat usage during the Winter War and 1941-43.
Well, the numbers you provide may be true, but they are all relative. Also keep in mind most of the upgrades to Allied armor were in response to the Tiger 1, save for maybe the IS-2 and the Super Pershing. As for the numbers, while the Panther was produced at a relatively large scale (for German standards), most were incredibly unreliable until late 1944. Of the 200 Panthers sent to Kursk, only 184 made it in operational conditions and from there, even more broke down. In the Western front, By the time the Panther made it’s debuted, the British had mounted a 17 pounder to a Sherman, and the Americans were working on getting the Easy 8 and the Pershings ready in response to the Tiger 1 already. The panther would not have been a common sight among the allies until the Battle of the Bulge and after, and by then the projects to counter the Tiger 1 were either being serviced or in the process of going deployed, all of which could easily deal with the Panther.
Which is why I wrote etc. after the Panther.
Sigh
That were the early models and most of the time (at least during Kursk), the crew had no training how to use the tank.
The later models/ crews had better reliability about 56% or sth like this, which is close to the Panzer IV models and that was before winter 1944.
So less than 10% were broken. “Unreliable”.
Most of them got wrecked by enemy fire so they either got artillery/ air-striked or saw combat usage otherwise it wouldnt make sense. Since you used wiki, you should have read this:
“During Zitadelle the Panthers claimed 267 destroyed tanks.”
“The Panther demonstrated its capacity to destroy any Soviet armoured fighting vehicle from long distance during the Battle of Kursk, and had a very high overall kill ratio”
But this is just “ReLaTiVe” I guess.
So Caen does not count lol
But well… at the end it doesnt prove anything in terms of the KV2.
Of course it’s relative, there were 8000 soviet tanks at Kursk so Panthers only killed about 3% of the soviet force. About the KDR, it matters very little as replacing a panther lost was far more difficult than replacing anything the allies had.
Panthers often got stuck in the bocage of Caen, so the ones the allies usually encountered were abandoned.
As for the KV-2, it fits into the game as well as a Brummbär or a Sturmtiger does, which is to say not well at all. This game is supposed to be an infantry centric game with tanks and planes in supporting roles, and those tanks would just steal the show.
Pretty depends on the overall kill perfomance of the Wehrmacht. Since the majority of the German lossed were not caused by tanks either… T34 wasnt good nor iconic too.
So did the Allied tank (at least the American ones) yet I wouldnt call the Sherman not iconic.
Performance matters.
Why was the V2 interesting for the Allies despite its very limited performance and the negative effect of the already carved German economy? Why did the Allies decided to develop their tanks against the Tiger and Panther despite their economical supremancy?
If economy matters only, then we wouldnt have the T34-85 or the Firefly or the M26 or the M36 or the 76mm Sherman or the SU85 or the Bazooka M9 or better tank ammunition or the PIAT or the IS or the ISUs or…
Same for the German counters.
For the Panthers, it is important that I denoted that the early ones where rare, later ones did appear more, because improvements to the transmission and other parts made them more reliable.
As for the king tigers from those 500 almost non of them manage to get to the front line.
Their biggest killers where their own faulty transmissions and lack of spate parts. That forced the abandonment and destruction to avoid capture.
Just look at the operational history of the king tiger. Is honestly very short, and most of the time they where used as glorified fixed guns. Because of the lack of spate parts and later in the war, the lack of fuel.
Tigers would be the most common of all the previous ones, and even there they also where plagued with the issues the ones above, but they had sufficient numbers to show up a bit more, still even them once you take in account the numbers on play here those tanks where simply not commune.
Just have in mind that the IS tanks are not meant to fight tanks, they are designed to destroy fortifications. That is the reason the IS-2 is equipped with the 122mm gun with slow reload, instead of the SU-100 and the T44 100m anti tank gun.
Also both the allies and the axis where very reactive towards the developments of the other side, regardless of actual numbers and efficiency.
If they switch the panther with the tiger, at least the Sherman can actually pen
Fully agree with KV2, But please add deployment costs mechanism first.
As long as powerful tanks and vehicles cost high respawn points, so that they will not cause widespread balance problems, all of the above concerns will no longer exist.
Under this mechanism, even Maus toys can be added to the game.
Anyway, since the Panthers appeared on the beach and shot at each other with Allies destroyers, FG42 German Superman slaughtered US troops on the beach. This game has long been far from restoring history.
We have accept the current situation that is neither historical nor balanced, And Why cannot add KV2 to Moscow? KV2 did appear at that time. It is much more real and easier to deal with than the Panthers on the beaches of Normandy.
As for the emergence of KV2 is an enhancement to the Soviet Union?
I doubt it. When there was a KV2 in the training field, I used to drive a panzer iii B to destroy the KV2’s turret from the front, making it incapable of combat. Even the panzer ii could pose a threat to it, not to mention the explosives and artificial intelligence missiles in the game. On the contrary, if Soviet players uses KV2 too much, not only would it not be able to provide high-frequency fire support to suppress the infantry, it would also not be able to capture the control point. It is difficult to say that KV2 is strong under the current game mechanism.
It is impossible to reach the effective of the Panthers on the beaches of Normandy.
The German army only needs to use the V87 and V110 German most advanced artificial intelligence missiles to easily and accurately destroy the KV2. Many players think that artificial intelligence missiles are reasonable. As for these missles were the history or balance, I don’t know.
Since there are no deployment restrictions, right? Anyway, these weapons and pilots grow out of the ground like vegetables, and there is no need to cherish them.
Waiting for the reply of against the deployment costs.