Those are the commonly accepted ROF values for the historical preformance for the M1 Garand and G43, with the G43’s ROF suffering heavily due to mechanical issues. Don’t know where he got the ROF for the SVT though, I can only find an ROF for the AVT.
since it is possible but needs lots of training to be even remotely accurate, a rapid fire perk sounds reasonable
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There could be no early or late player argument here if the fking matchmaker worked. The problem isn’t the weapons and never be
The problem it’s the stupid matchmaker that makes level 1 soldiers play against guys like me.
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Then present sources.
Cause those are all from different tests under different circumstances.
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That souldn’t be included. If mechanical issues are to be taken into account, they should be included directly and not artificially within the weapon’s firerate.
+I do not feel like this is a solution at all. I believe semis should be buffed, not nerfed into the ground.
Just thinking about it, it’s certainly not aimed fire. The only way you could achieve that is if you’re hipfiring and not even bothering with aiming or fighting the recoil much.
I care when it legit makes no sense, either historically or balance wise. And I care about both sides.
well these are the values for each weapon the g43 suffers the most because the germans had so few of them unlike the us or russians not many upgradeds to fix existing problems and was plagued with mechanical problems so why shouldnt that reflect in slower rate of fire for g43 thats historically accurate
and a slower rof means less of a chance to mess up when firing the weapon
Why does that matter?
Though, I’m not sure I’d exactly call 400k few.
Because it makes no sense. Why should mechanical problems of some rifles make my soldier shoot slower? If they’re gonna take mechanical problems into account, it should be directly in the form of jams and stuff, not giving my soldier weaker fingers.
No. It means worse cqc performence.
I’m not bad enough to require artificially lowered rof to shoot accurately.
And if you mean irl, then that’s just not true.
literally no one has been able to get that number, because the G43 and G41s are so unreliable. Furthermore, you cannot just say because the M1 has has a 50 rof, then the Gewehrs should have that too because the mechanisms are completely different. Also, while this is related to mechanical issues, one of the stated reasons for the ROF nerf was the soldiers themselves could not achieve the maximum ROF due to fatigue. Solders not being able to shoot at the maximum ROF due to fear of breaking the gun would also make sense with this logic.
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400k G43s and 145k G41s against 5.4 million Garands and 1 million SVTs
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may i ask where you got these from?
the average bolt action in this game has 60-70 shots a minute
Do you have any proof? I find it hard to believe the G43 was so unreliable you couldn’t get a mag out of it without jamming.
I’m 100% certain the G43s cyclic rate was faster than 50rpm. And I’m also certain it’s trigger wasn’t that heavy to mess with rof either.
Very often adrenaline counters fatigue.
Why? Firing too fast/slow has no effect on the gun. And that the soldier would be as careful as possible to not break his weapon with 10 enemy soldiers directly in front of him is very unlikely.
Still not “few”.
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I never said that, I only said they were so unreliable that no one could or would shoot it over 30 rpm.
And the Garand’s cyclic rate was well above 50rpm. ROF is not just the cyclic rate, it includes things like reload time and yes, mechanical issues.
Thats not for me to decide, thats what the devs said. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them. I’m just applying their logic, as that is what will use to justify future balance changes
That is quite minuscule in terms of ww2 production. The G43 probably would appear in the same frequency as the StG 44, that is to say given only to officers and special forces.
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Not from game, they are the commonly accepted historical value for both guns.
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do you mean effective firerate with aiming and reload factored in?
Yeah, the effective fire rate.
oh yeah ok.
the SVT stat seems not to be though, wasted is a weird lad
but thats not the stat they show in game though, pretty sure it just states the mechanical rof (i have no idea what its called tbh)
Yeah, the SVT one is well off, he may have mistyped and meant 30-40, but we shall never know
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You don’t understand guns do you? Unreliability means it’s prone to jamming or stopping the guns action in another way. But slowing down cyclic rate is not something that happens, at least not to a noticable degree.
Yes, it is the case for both guns.
That’s only practical rof in the field. Theoretical firerate on a gun with an automatic action would be measured by the cyclic rate, without reloads or mechanical issues, as those things are heavily subjective.
I do have a problem with it. I have written it in many replies and might make a post at some point. Not like that’ll do anything though.
And their logic is simply just about how to explain making late game gear more broken.
Not really. That’s still a lot of guns. It’s not a regular-issue gun, but it’s not insanely rare either.