The Thompson aside, most US smg options are sub-par to terrible. The M3/M3A1 are ok at close range, but that’s it. Germany has better options overall from the FNAB and onward.
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because the BAR wasn’t a good LMG, which makes sense because it’s AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE
when it comes to american naming thing then yes the name does mean everything like the shermans official name is “medium tank m4”, and no i don’t want BAR to be multiclass i was using it as the closest thing to fg42 in game
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That aside I dont consider any of the lower lvl smgs even remotely decent.
point being having better range on gun that aint even designed for anykind of “long” range engagements isnt exactly something that would make it op or even better. Especiatly when u can have rifle as well with assaulter.
Yes, it seems. These things aside, tbh I don’t care whether they would nerf FG42 or not, since I would continue to use FG42 II and MG42. Since they would never nerf soviet SMG so would MGs never be nerfed too(otherwise germans in 2/3 campaigns unplayable). They should give Americans something better instead
Still, the fact remains good at close quarters, even in that role it is only on par with the two berettas, (the 1918 having a slightly faster TTK but slightly less control, the 38 having a slightly slower TTK but much better control. ) which are still then also better at long range.
And the low tier performance matters for grind difficulty / frustration considerations.
Which is why I advocate for buffing US gear, rather than further nerfing German examples.
M1 Garand vs FG42 - FG is better sure.
M2 having trash recoil - sure it does - so does the FG in auto.
Using M1 Garand for mid-long range engagements, and having M2 for clearing buildings - you can’t do that as effectively with the FG42.
BAR vs MGs - MG is better sure, but the BAR is still an awesome weapon, and you can squad wipe all the same. Sure MG has more bullets, but it also has a much longer reload time.
Can’t agree with you on the P38 J though - it’s fast as hell, turns great, can hit ground targets effectively and is pretty decent vs aircraft - I’ve taken down a lot of BF109s with it.
For the bombers, sure on paper the JU88 looks better, but it’s slower than the A20, and the A20 has machine guns and you can still take take down planes with it. The JU88 is slow and can’t really do anything but drop bombs.
P47 vs 190 - P47 can nuke 1-2 positions with rockets, plus one more with it’s 500lbs bomb. And in the mean time can take down airplanes with it’s 1500 machine guns on each side. The 190 can roll really fast, but that’s about it - it’s useless against ground targets with it’s incredible 2 rockets. Also good luck taking out a vehicle with it - you’d need to use the force. P47 completely outclasses all other planes.
Sherman vs Pz4 - I think it depends on who fires first - however I do think the Pz4 is a little better vs armor, while the Sherman is better vs infantry. Maybe it’s just me, but the Pz4 has weaker HE shells, it’s machine guns overheat faster and need to reload more often.
Jumbo is in a league of it’s own, just like the P47.
Yes, Soviets get PPsh relatively early but for ameicans it’s full of british dogshit like sten.
Yeah, well. If we now take the murrican assumption and say the german planes are by far superior.
I suppose with this logic that things that dont exactly matter at all makes all the differency the planes are completely balanced. German planes might have more bombs, better guns & better controls but the murrican ones have by far better canopys so you can see your incoming death by far better than german counter parts.
I don’t think you realize the degree by which the M2’s recoil is worse than that of the FG42.
The FG42 has about half the recoil per damage as the M2 carbine, and kills nearly twice as fast at close range - and far faster at long range.
BAR also has way more recoil than MG34/42, on top of less ammo and killing slower.
- FG is Garand and M2 carbine in one gun. You say you can not do both effectively but you can do both.
- P38 comparison is not really honest. Bf109 is better in every single stat and have 200kg of bombs when the p38 has 16 kg worth of rockets. Yes you can kill the bf109 but no its not better, yes you can kill ground targets but the bf109 is better.
- A20 vs JU88 you select that plane for the bombing, JU88 has 50% more of that. 3 drops vs 2 drops. If you chase planes with the A20 you are losing bomb time and is not worth at all. Dogfighting is not a thing because it turns slower than everything else.
- P47s (attacker) counterpart is the BF110 (attacker) not the FW (fighter). They unlock at the same level but that does not mean their role is the same. Germany gets a good cas plane early so to balance that they put the P47 in. BF110 has better rockets, P47 has a bomb and Bf110 has a cannon that can pierce each tank from the side/rear. Stat wise P47 is faster, BF110 is better in turning/climbing. Both are a downgrade from the A20/JU88 for raw kills (which is their role).
- FW190 is added to fight the P51 (both highest tier fighter each faction has) they have comparable dogfighting stats. 2 x 50kg bomb vs 2 Wfr rockets (which are great rockets). Would say they are a good matchup tbh.
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Agree wit hall the other points you make - but not this one - rockets are accurate (-ish) so much easier to use than 4 x 50kg bombs that are pure guesswork. Large bombs have a wide enough area effect to make up for the guesswork - these ones do not.
so I rate the P-38 as considerably better at CAS than the 109.
I can’t really maneuver for shirt - I’ve shot down a few 109’s, but they shoot me down more often - I bring the 38 for CAS - the fighter aspects are not particularly relevant to me.
Fair enough, might be my own bias because I really dont like to fly the P38 and I love to fly the BF109.
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Mate, read what I wrote, don’t guess. M2 should not even be in Normandy. I have no intention of repeating myself like a parrot.
Well it should be totally opposite and you should compare M1 Garand vs Kar98 and in some limited percent Gw 43. Well that is US clearly.
And FG42 didn’t equip nearly 0,1% of German armed forces.
It did not even equip 10% of the Fallschirmjäger.
But no, lets give it to everyone like it is a candy. Pandora box opened and can’t be closed.
Troopers should be armed like troopers and not with full meta auto freak-show.
Decrease the ammo, that will balance it. Dear God … 
brain
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Compared the best battle rifles each faction gets in the current meta.
Other than that you are right indeed. Its a Pandoras box when they added it.
Would be same as adding the tiger 2, at some point we need v2 to balance the tiger 2 counter.
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End of the day we’re all giving our biased opinions I guess.
Sure FG is Garand and M2 Carbine combined - “You say you can not do both effectively but you can do both.”. Yes, you can auto fire with the FG, but it it’s up all your ammo, and considering it has very few bullets in total, it’s really ineffective to fire in full auto. That’s why most people I’ve seen use it in semi auto. I would completely agree that it’s a fantastic weapon - all I was trying to say is that the US can easily counter it. I completely disagree on yet another nerf though. Things are bad enough for the Axis as is.
A20 vs JU88 - sure JU88 has more bombs. The A20 is faster though and more maneuverable, you can dodge planes more easily with it - not saying you should dog fight in it, I’m saying that you can actually fight other planes with it(if you get a good chance that is) - I’ve downed even enemy fighters with it.
P47s (attacker) counterpart is the BF110 (attacker) - you gotta be kidding me - you really gonna compare the P47s loadout to the 4x rockets and like 10x bullets of the BF110. You can compare the BF110 with P38(the J version is considerably faster). Still I would say the P38J is times better.
As for the P51, there’s already the BF109.
But I really don’t see anything in Germany’s arsenal than can come even relatively close to what the P47 can do.
PS. yeah the FW190’s 2 Wfr rockets are absolutely fantastic - if the planets are aligned and is a full moon outside, maybe, you can scratch an enemy tank - just awesome rockets.
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Yeah, let’s give USA semi automatic rifles, and give Germany bolt action rifles. This will totally balance things out. You’re right.
Also, “Decrease the ammo, that will balance it.” - decrease it to how much exactly, it’s already at 2 mags.
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Great comparison. If FG was limited to Para squad Assaulters or Gunners it would never ever shit on balance.
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Yes - 2 mags, 30 rounds total