instead of having it shoot 2 shells at the same time it should shoot 1 shot at a time but twice as fast and should have a clip of 20 instead of 10 and should rotate between barrels each shot
… ya know like how the ZPU-4 actually fires…
instead of having it shoot 2 shells at the same time it should shoot 1 shot at a time but twice as fast and should have a clip of 20 instead of 10 and should rotate between barrels each shot
… ya know like how the ZPU-4 actually fires…
The AA emplacement that is in the game is the 2cm Flakvierling 38. The fire rate and two barrels firing per trigger pull are historically accurate, but the guns are incredibly low on ammo. I don’t have any links to documents at the moment, but I recall each gun having either a 10 or 20 round magazine. You’d of course multiply this by 4 and end up with either 20 or 40 shots (2 per barrel).
AA in enlisted would only scratch the cars paint.
20 shells per magazine, four mags equal 80 shots, in-game Flak vierling fires all four guns with one trigger pull, maximum 40 shots before reload, mag size of 10.
It fires 4? I never noticed that. That shouldn’t be the case historically.
You can see 4 smoke trail each time you press Fire
And yeah ingame each mag has 10 rounds while they should have 20 rounds
For OP, you absolutely can’t compare the ZPU-4 with the Flak 38 just because they are AA guns.
As it has been said, you can’t fire just 1 barrel at once. With the Flakvierling 2 pedals were used to fire. Each pedal triggers 2 barrels.
Judging visually from this video also traverse speed in-game is too slow. Usually in-game i build 2 AAA’s already pointing at different directions to be ready for incoming/leaving planes. Turning it 360degrees in game is waste of time, almost every plane fly faster and players generally fly in lower altitudes but in higher altitudes target marker already dissapears pretty soon and planes are not reachable.
-.-’ those kind of AA emplacements they have in game fired 1 barrel at a time to achieve a higher rate of fire… high rate of fire = more effective AA… like why the fuck you thing the current CIWS systems we use for AA fire at a redonkulously high rate of fire… because planes fly quite fast and its easier to hit a fast moving target with a rapid rate of fire…
gun goes BRRRRRRRRTTT and if your alive after that noise you know you weren’t its target.
and like even if it is suppose to be a flak 38… those things clearly fire at a much higher rate of fire and from just 1 barrel at that…
Except not the Flakvierling 38 - the one in game. It fired TWO barrels per each paddle, two paddles on the emplacement. The video you used is NOT of a Flakvierling 38, it’s of a ZPU-4. By a technicality, that emplacement does not even consist of cannons, but 14.5mm machineguns.
Using the CIWS as an example is utterly stupid for a multitude of reasons
It’s a modern weapon, a rotary cannon.
The Flakvierling 38 is NOT a rotary cannon.
If you do not understand how a gun works, don’t try to educate people on it using a different weapons system. You have done this TWICE now.
upon closer examination of my clip i guess your right it does fire all 4 barrels… but yea like TheFloofyFox is saying that’s extremely inaccurate historically… each barrel should fire independently, first the top right then the bottom left then the top left and finally the bottom right…
… do the barrels on that AAA placement look like Cannons… jesus… they are small enough to be 14.5mm barrels… and before you embaress yourself further why don’t you look at what an actual ZPU-4 looks like
take the wheels off but a bullet shield on it and you got the exact same fucking cannon thats in game…
and its like you didn’t even watch the 1st video PraiseWhiteJesus provided lmao… clearly shows a quad barreled cannon firing 1 barrel at a time to achieve an extremely high rate of fire not all 4 at the same time chuggin along like a friggen steam engine…
the quad barreled flak had a slightly different appearence
but fuckin regardless of the AA turrets name… the fire rate is just wrong… wrong… wrong…
like sure for a single barreled flak gun the fire rate is about right but not for a quad barrel flak that can shoot anywhere from 700-1900 rounds per minute or 11-31 rounds per second…
I’ll repeat it again, for the last time.
The ZPU-4 is not related in any way to the Flakvierling 38. They’re different guns. They do not function the same.
It is quite well documented how the Flakvierling 38 functions. It CAN have a faster fire rate than it is currently. Twice as fast, but at the cost of only firing 2 barrels at once, instead of all 4.
Just because the ZPU-4 has a similar form to the Flakvierling 38 does not mean they function the same.
A horse and a mouse are both quadrupeds, but that’s about where the similarities end.
take the wheels off but a bullet shield on it and you got the exact same fucking cannon thats in game…
No, completely and utterly wrong. the ZPU-4 is a 14.5mm quad-machinegun mount from 1949, which consists of 4 heavy machineguns.
You can do all the things you said (take off wheels, put on a shield), and it will still not be the same gun as the 20mm Flakvierling mount, which consists of 4 Flak 38 anti-aircraft cannons.
The former, is a Russian design, which was a continuation of the Maxim gun AA mount (Also called the ZPU)
The latter was a mount for a dedicated anti-aircraft cannon.
They DO serve the same purpose, but they are NOT the same damn gun.
Can you actually stop for a minute, read up on the Flak 38 (And by extension the Flakvierling 38)
And stop this weird train of thought of yours which consists of just “Well, this gun looks like this gun, so they must either function the same or even be the same gun!”.
… for reference the flak 38 (quad barrel) like the one in game fired as slow as 700 rounds per minute… this is what 700 beats per minute sounds like…
and heres what the AAA turret in game sounds like
you notice any difference in the rate per minute… … if not turn your fuckin hearing aid up.
the AAA turret in game fires at closer to 250 rounds per minute thats 50 rounds per minute shy of 3x slower then the slowest recorded firing flak 38’s in WW2
and just to give you an idea of the of these flak 38’s 1900 round per minute max fire rate heres a 2000bpm metronome
the trick is each barrel only has to fire at 475 rounds per minute but each barrel fires 1 after the other to achieve such a high rate of fire as 1900 rounds per minute…
the firing order always goes barrel 1 is right top barrel 2 is bottom left barrel 3 is bottom right barrel 4 is top left and then it cycles back to barrel 1… that firing order has been shown to give the most optimal bullet spread… meaning a better blanketing of the sky with lead projectiles…
On the 4 barrel version of the Flak 38, you can only fire the two upper or two lower ones at the same time. There is no single shot just from one barrel, unless you just load this specific barrel.
Also in Service soldiers usually shot a few rounds with upper, then lower, only firing 2 barrels at a time to improve parts life.
That math man. Thats not how rate of fire is calculated at all lmao.
thats how rounds per minute is calculated… dunno the fuck kind of convertion your using but rounds per minute = how many bullets can come out of the barrel of your gun within a minute… same method as a metronome and even revolutions per minute RPM…
like did you even watch your own videos you only have to sit through 17 seconds to see the flak gun your talking about firing each barrel one after the other… like do yourself and me a favour… go back and watch your own posted video but crank the playback speed down to 0.25 at about the 15 second mark…
Man, my Grandfather actually served in the Fallschirmjäger Division Hermann Göring, and had chance to talk with him before he passed away 1998.
I just say that on usual for in the field operation, they shot only 2 barrels at the same time because shooting all at once was a ammo waste and also the risk of damaging the barrels and having to wait for replacement was kinda something to avoid especially from 1943 onward.
There is War from the Books, and War if you ever served and seen how shit logistics are.
I just remember how we were told before going to Afghanistan that all Jeeps and Vehicles have AC, then you there and you sit in this fucking hutt just wearing T Shirt and Boxers and your combat vest ontop feeling like in the middle of some vietnam war movie. Nothing works for shit, nobody had any AC, not us, not the americans, not the french. Food was shit and we paid workers to bring us rice from the village or tried to trade the americans because our MRAs were outdated during first 3 months until they finally back home fixed that shit and sent some that had at least a “good before 2011” stamp on it and not something that ran out in 1995.
Like… what trying to tell here (drunk), there is difference on war in books and on statistics and actually what happens in the field. Its hard to grasp, but boredom and shit food fucks with your mind, especially lack of quality haji pussy.
yea sure you’d only use 2 barrels when the target is further out but if you got a prime angle on the fucker your gonna pepper it with everything you got nobody in their right mind would hold back and chance missing the plane as it drops a 2000lb kiss your ass goodbye bomb on your general vicinity
like who the fuck would save 50 bullets to risk an entire squad/platoon and a gun placement like if your placement gets blown to shit those spare bullets aren’t gonna mean too much either way
but yea i guess your technically correct, rate of fire is calculated a different way.