Ever since the Daimler got its proper amount of machine gun ammunition, I am curious, which do people prefer, the A13 or the Daimler?
Grant
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a13 is objectively the 2nd best vehicle on tunisia, so that one
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And what objective standard are you using to determine that pray tell?
figure it out yourself i won’t humour you if you’re gonna be pretentious
And I won’t bother with you since you can’t actually explain it yourself.
A13 and Daimler is in same trash can bracket since sharing same gun and getting ripped apart by 20mm.
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I can, at least from my own perspective.
A13:
- More ammo, AP and HE
- Better survivability - More crew - Daimler mostly get’s oneshoted by M14, but A13 does not most of times
- Never ever overheating Vickets, but Besa is also good
- Good gun and turret traverse, better than what M14 has
- You are fast enough to get away if infantry get’s close and are almost immune to German AT rifles
Some of you would just say use Italian AB 41 bla blabllablabla…
So we have to use bugged vehicle to get balance?
If you use AB 41 you can’t do shit to Grant and you are prime target for Boys AT rifle which will ripp you apart
If you use M14 you are very limited against infantry because it is slow as fuck, turret traverse is very slow and MG is pathetic. Even HE shells have very high drop, so you can’t shoot them and MG at same time
If you use Semovente your anti infantry capabilities are shit
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The Daimler explodes if I shoot in the general direction of it with the PzB.
Easiest thing to kill with an AT rifle.
Don’t see them that often as A13-s. I wonder why.
Bigger?
I use the Daimler a lot due to its decent reverse speed and over all maneuverability however if you look at it funny it dies.
So its good if the enemy team doesn’t spawn another tank.
I really wish the british would get APHE instead of the solid shot shells its war thunder british tree all over again.
Cant wait to get the grant though its looks rather good.
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I did see one taking advantage of the high acceleration by popping in and out of cover.
Unfortunately for it, I was watching it from the side with an M14 while it was occupied with an AB-41
Bigger? Do typed words cost in your country or?
Bigger hitbos = less chance to hit ammo.
Is it that hard to guess?
Is it so hard to figure out that “I wonder why.” was pure sarcasm from my side? Nvm, we gone off topic.
Good answer!
Since I created the topic, I suppose I should also weigh in.
I think I might prefer the Daimler, but it is close.
The A13 has more ammunition, has more armour and is definitely more rugged (as in it can take penetrating hits without losing crew or blowing up). An another bonus is the ability for the commander to look out of his hatch. (I don’t know why the commander for the Daimler cant, though.)
The Daimler, on the other had, is far more agile. The speed at which the A13 turns is pretty terrible. The fast reverse speed on the Daimler is also a great boon. What I consider to be one of the greatest advantages of the Daimler is its machine gun. As much as I may appreciate the sustained fire capabilities of the Vickers, I find its rate of fire far too slow, the rate of fire on the BESA, coupled with the fast turret elevation speed makes it possible to fire on the move surprisingly effectively. I do wonder why they gave us the early version of the A13 with the Vickers, when, If I’m not mistaken, if the British still had some A13s kicking around from 1940 in 1942-1943, they probably would be armed with a BESA.
Sure sure
Pretty sure there were no A13’s serving in the Desert a all by 1942!! 
ETA: no mention of cruisers from December 1941 onwards in the British orders of battle in Nth Africa -
For Operation Battleaxe (June 1941) there is 1 regiment listed as having “mixed cruisers”, and 1 with Crusader.
By Sidi Rezeg and Operation Crusader (November 41) there are several mentions of Crusaders and “Cruisers” in the same armoured brigades.
A JSTOR article on British tanks in hte Desert 1940-42 prety much agrees with both hte above - noting that the only A9, A10 and A13 tanks during Crusader were in 7RTR (A13), and in the Tobruk fortress (A9-13) - see https://www.jstor.org/stable/44232677 (suggest you get the free membership of this site - it’s a goldmine!)
But by 10 December there is no mention of cruisers in the 8th Army OOB at all - instead there are large numbers of M2A4 Stuarts.
There are a couple of regiments which do not have their equipment listed tho’ - 2 of htem are RTR’s that previously had infantry tanks and likely still do, the other the 7th Queen’s Own Hussars - a battle report from them from November 1941 notes that the have A15, A13 and even A10 tanks present- and hte mix of types is undesirable!! - Operational Report 7th Queen’s Own Hussars December 1941 – The Crusader Project
But this regiment was shipped to the Far East in January 1942.
All the other info comes from the George Nafziger collection of OOB’s - Nafziger Collection Finding Aid (1941-1942)