why is the Tiger better?
I don´t know who you´re argueing with, not me since all I did was state what I like to use and what stuff is good. I wasn´t even being an asshole about it or anything for once too lol.
Your behaviour seems to indicate that you think the stat difference and thus performance difference is so drastic that it´s worth making a fuss over (spoiler it´s not). Sure W/L is subjective and easily manipulated but I don´t quit maches often so it´s the only data I could even use.
If Axis has a full lobby of players they can wipe the floor with the Allies no matter what campaign. You don´t even need high level fags for it but people who get on the fucking objective for once. I suggest you should try it and win some matches that way.
There is difference between what you like and what is actually good.
I use the M4A2 because I like it and think its a good He clicker though the Jumbo and the 76mm Sherman are obviously and overall better, both stat and public-wise though public is dumb. Same goes for my Panzer IV H/ Panzer III M. combo.
A more accurate gun will be more accurate. Everything else doesnt make sense.
If you cant reach the objective at all, it is pointless to debate about the importance of capturing. If your team gets repeatedly HE-clicked by Tigers on Normandy because vets prefer ez game with the Germans or any other campaign, then yeah good luck trying to kill greyzone Tigers with Stuarts I guess. And bunch of discord plebs doesnt shift the balance at all.
And well Moscow was so balanced that the devs needed to give the Germans a time travel tank to stop them from getting assfucked by T-34s and T-50s all the time. SG is less painful but most of the time it depends on the server time (also the campaign where the Mkb used to be actually good before the Soviet mains complain too much and nerfed its dispersion). A issue I strangely don’t see that frequently in Berlin and that happens to the sole Soviet vs. Germany campaign where the Germans actually have a real advantage beyond 0.05 better accuracy or time-travel balance attempt.
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The difference is that I don´t give a shit, if I can kill good enough with them I don´t care if something has 5 horizontal recoil more and 4 less accuracy.
Use the M8 instead. It´s a smaller target, faster and has better ammo. You get a lot worse turret traverse but unless you use it like and M5 you should be fine. The armor doesn´t really matter since a Sherman is almost as vulnerable as the M4 against anything biger than the Panzer III.
Unless we´re talking about snipers it really doesn´t matter. A bullet still roughly goes where the iron sights point. Even more so with the shot deviation upgrade. Aim center mass everything is roughly gonna hit the same (outside LMGs).
Allies litteraly start with the hard counter to any german armor. If your team struggles with german tanks a lot then your teammates have a mental illness because the P38 destroys tanks so easily it´s not even funny anymore. Work smarter not harder, flank, use smoke, go a different fucking way for once I don´t know.
Nobody is forcing anyone to use tanks. If you run into that problem a lot then it´s on you for driving tanks on Normandy. Your team is still stupid in that case but that´s a given in this game.
That´s because the devs themselves are the ones who fucked up the balance in the first place lol. Back when the Soviets didn´t have T-34s it was relatively even.
That´s every campaign in a nutshell.
Yeah because it was a litteral laser and available for Rifleman not just Assaults.
Those differences are mostly 20 recoil and twice better accuracy.
If we have such low expectations/ requirements I guess so.
Most people dont have more than four slots and many people dont like to fly.
Which all will really impress the Tiger I guess, especially if he sits on a hill.
And one team has more and better players… coincidence I guess.
What? I thought it only matters that the first bullet goes along with the iron sight.
Not really.
Ok now stats matter. How… consequent.
Sure never feels like it.
Yes if gun shoot where I aim me happy. I don´t know what trickshots you´re attempting but guns hit plenty enough for me.
Well you don´t need to fly, you only need to keep the reticle on the tank, hit R 3 times and crash into the ground after a job well done. If you want to drive tanks so hard go play War Thunder, you can main the US tech tree there.
You mean the big Khaki rectangle on that hill? Wow I´m sure he´s hard to spot from the cockpit of your P38.
Yeah because everyone was simping for the Tiger so everyone wanted to unlock it and Allies didn´t get as many new players.
This is so out of context that I´m not even gonna check what I was getting at lmao.
Yes really.
Yeah because even without looking at the stats anyone could tell that it was overtuned. This is way different to the rubbish you´re spouting. I can´t believe I even need to tell your room tempererature IQ ass this shit.
Well said
And feeling is so measurable and easy to debate I guess.
Has nothing to do with the issues of flying in the game.
Again flying is apparently hard for most players in Enlisted if they keep crashing all the time with newbie planes.
And imagine the tickets such newbies waste to kill one tank which is gonna be replaced in seconds or that good players who fly waste a valuable inf slot.
Its about balance and according to you, its enough if guns hit something so whats the issue with balance all of the sudden?
Not really. Berlin does not suffer from this, Tunisia is Axis sweat feast, same goes to Normandy and pre F2 Moscow era. Dunno about Pacific.
But if guns are two times more accurate than others and similar way better recoil, you cant feel it lol.
Then I dont get it how you could measure that the Mkb was more accurate than the AVT to become lazer since it was just like 0.15 more accurate iirc. which is a bit laughable compared to the current 0.49 dispersion difference between the AVT and Mkb for the same recoil…
Yeah but Mkb was lazer because muh feelings but current AVT vs. Mkb/ MP/ FG is fine because muh feelings… not to mention the better dmg… but feeling again I guess.
I must admit its a really outstanding tool to measure gun performance and balance.
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Thanks for sharing it
Yes because my opinion obviously matters more than yours(no sarcasm) (100%serious) (no joke)
Yes because I was talking about if you want to play US vehicles so bad that you should just play War Thunder because the P38 is a must have in Normandy. I guess doing bad faith arguemeants isn´t beneath you so I need to spell everything out for you.
There´s litteraly a Practice range where you can Practice flying. Are our standards really that low that we can´t even expect a player to do the bare minimum anymore?
If the enemy tank is making us loose more tickets than the guy flying I would say that´s a good exchange. After all it´s better than nobody doing anything against an enemy tank (I´ve seen that happen more than enough).
Well you need to take a vehicle so might aswell do something where you won´t waste tickets as fast while having huge kill potential depending on the planes loudout.
Yeah no I´m not gonna trust you to actually comprehend what I was trying to tell you. Should´ve just quoted me but whatever.
I´ve won plenty matches on the less popular side. You just need to get a good lobby.
Yes because the difference in performance ussually isn´t as huge as you´re letting on? The FG42 II is probably the best rifle in Berlin, that doesn´t mean the AVT-40 is shit because it does the same thing except slightly worse. That´s why the Soviets have other stuff that is better than the german stuff. If you look at the big picture those stat differences will be rather insignificant.
Because it had less recoil? Are you really that stupid or are you just pretending? Gee it sure is fun argueing with someone who relies on bad faith arguemeants to be right.
Yes, because when is the last time you saw someone complain about this stuff? If nobody outside you can back you up on it and your only arguemeant is pointing at a stat sheet and going “number bad number bad” then maybe, just a suggestion, you´re in the wrong? You´re not the only Axis player in this community. MP43 do less damage and less recoil and Federov does more damage and more recoil. That´s how they´re designed to be.
Yeah game experience does this sort of thing. Maybe you should play the game more instead of staring at a stat sheet?
Im talking about the average Enlisted player and he doesnt have multiple slot and is bad at flying.
Without enemies… flying circles is cool I guess.
Not if the enemy can and will infinitly respawn them
Not my fault if you fail to remember what you wrote a bunch of posts ago.
Do I need to explain tendencies?
Not that much. Now they have both same recoil but AVT is 0.5 more accurate. But your borderline-religious feeling is not able to sense it so it doesnt exist I guess.
You are so good that you are worse with the better gun. Impressive. Your playstyle even disobeyes the basic laws of math.
It has been reported and debated multiple times but so far we all had the luck that you didnt participate in the debates.
( I thought you dont consider most stats apart from dmg?) But it has like 4 more recoil so it justifies its 2x times better accuracy and better dmg? Well. I quote a ignorant ehm wise space wizard:
Especially looking at the huge difference between dispersion.
Again space magic ehm feelings ehm experience does not make guns more accurate or decrease the maximum recoil, increaes the maximum dmg…
Luckily you would never argue with stats…
Oh wait…
Its new to me that religions are based on facts.
Why do you think I am a Axis players? I started as Moscow Allies and Normandy Allies. Quite ignorant to say such as biased statement? I mean what did someone once said when he got accused on the same thing dont you think 
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The average Enlisted player just has to hit a tank sized target with Rockets it´s nothing complicated and I´ve seen it reguarly happen.
Oh another bad faith arguemeant because surely you wouldn´t be that stupid to not realize that I just want them to be able to hit tanks with M8 rockets right?
Then it´s simply skill issue because the game gives you the hard counter to any Axis vehicle from the get go. If you bitch about Axis armor on Normandy but don´t want to fly P-38 to just take them out you´re a straight up clown.
You want to prove me wrong here so you still care. I don´t care about any of your dumb ramblings because I know they´re worthless and change nothing even if I don´t disprove them.
My man you need to get better at quoting stuff. Responding to “I`ve” makes you look more like a clown than already. Anyway yes I know what tendencies are but you weren´t talking about tendencies but instead making it look one side was steamrolling the other wich simply isn´t true.
HOLY SHIT 0.5 MORE ACCURATE IT´S A GAME CHANGER
Comes from the guy obsessing over 0.5 more accuracy. Did it ever occur to you that maybe the MKb is more controlable in full auto wich the AVT-40 definetly isn`t? Just throwing that out there.
More like I´m so good that the worse performance appearently doesn´t impact me as much as your worthless ass that needs to be carried by their equipment.
Thank god I can only imagine those threads are where braincells go to die.
Then you´re projecting shit on to me wich I definetly never said.
Federov does 2.5 more damage but the MP43 has 6.3 less horizontal and 2.7 less horizontal recoil. The MP43 has more dispersion becasuse it´s more controllable in full auto. I don´t know looks like gun balance to me.
Because I appearently can miss something without coping and seething that it defiently isn´t me but the gun that´s the problem.
If you have someting to say do it, I can´t look into your ant sized brain.
Well… Jesus actually existed for example…
Ah sorry I meant “You´re not the only one who plays Axis”
I kinda expected you to get what I was trying to say but I guess you couldn´t miss the chance for another bad faith arguemeant trying to make me look bad.
What now? So if it has 1.3 more recoil, it matters all of the sudden?
Häh? But apparently 5 recoil points are balancing two times better accuracy even thought it is really nothing (even according to you)… especially compared to 2 times better accuracy. You don’t really get the dispersion thingy I guess.
Because thats something that actually exists and is both not historical and not balanced.
The recoil difference stands in no relation to 0.5 worse accuracy, especially since 21 recoil is not much.
Its more like ignorance and overconfidence. You cannnot be (way) more accurate with the worse accurate gun and smiliar recoil. Thats not how the dispersion and math works. Sure, if you dont bother to aim with the AVT or Fed but with the MP or the FG, you surely will be more accurate with the Germans…
Well. When I played pre-Mkv nerf SG Allies, no one really bothered to join me. Apparently because of meta.
What now?
Well. The level indeed was higher without you. We didnt miss another feeling.
Maybe I never played Axis, maybe I never played Axis in Berlin who knows? Kinda prejugdy.
I hate that they added the trophy gun in Stalingrad. And as a regular unlock too! I could see it as a gold order weapon, but part of the fun for me is the assymetry of combat. That’s just more realistic.
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I´m stooping down to your level because obviously you can´t fathom the fact someone prefers the “inferior” counterpart. Like do you want me to keep going “I don´t care about the specific stats”? Then why do you keep bringing up fucking stats like I´m suppose to do something with them? Do you want to reach a conclusion to this discussion or do you just want to try and insult me, keep being antagonistic like ever since the beginning and just go in circles? I guess so but since I´m such a quirky guy I´m gonna entertain your brainfarts one last time. I´m sure you like wasting your time doing nothing productive but I have my limits.
Yeah because the stats I´m reading don´t align to what your spouting. You´re litteraly argueing with someone who can´t be bothered with detailed weapon stats. What are you evne trying to accomplish? (don´t answer I don´t give a shit about that either).
yawn
I don´t care it more controlable. I still stuff at long range even though it´s obvious it´s meant for close and medium range combat.
Well I never stated I was more accurate. That´s something you put in my mouth. What I was trying to say is that the dispersion isn´t that big of a dealbreaker. Especially after the shot deviation upgrade (I´m gonna assume dispersion means deviation in this case)
I don´t believe that for one second. The way you´ve been acting doesn´t line up with that behavior at all.
Well first off that should tell you how disinterested I am in your ramblings that I can´t even be bothered to keep my story straight. Better to be inconsistent than do the text equivilant of this and expect something to happen. Not to mention that I neither had any strong feelings on this topic nor was it my intention to get into a shit flinging contest with the likes of you. The only thing you managed to acomplish is waste my fucking time so congrats on that.
Yeah I´m sure it was fun discussing this shit with a bunch of people who agree with you and act like a degenerate to anyone who disagrees like you did with me. Truly an example of Enlisted Froum User.
At this point you might aswell not have. Wouldn´t suprise me.
The PPSh-41 was the second most used submachine gun in the German army
The PPSh-41 was the second most used submachine gun in the German army
Which is not really that impressive, considering that most models of German SMGs were only produced in the thousands. The MP35, for example, only saw around 10k units produced. The MP18/28 had around 30k units produced between both models. The MP-3008 only saw about 10k
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good firearm and German soldiers recognized it as such; however it shouldn’t be a main unlock weapon. Otherwise the Soviets could just be given German MGs. Americans could be given German tanks. It’s better, in my opinion, to keep the arms largely separate. I’d have no issue with it as a gold order, but having whole squads armed with them is ridiculous