A case to downtier the Johnson lmg

Please reread what I wrote, slower this time so perhaps you can understand it.

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Of course it is. This weapon is one tap annihilator.

I will always prefer it over weapons such as MG42, Te-4, DT-29.

Sure, better BR4 MGs definitely exists as well. Such as Type Hei LMG, Federov MG, MG45, MG42 early.

But Johnson LMG is definitely one of my most favorite TT MGs.

Unfortunately the current Johnson lmg is based on a lie, the current form is a fantasy based on poor and lazy research by the Devs.

But even if the Johnson lmg wasn’t nerfed and kept it’s 900rpm, I still think it ought to be br3 because the 20 round mag paired with a absurd rpm is a bad combination.

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Yeah, and that’s why all SF rifles sucks.

Whatever, if that’s what you think. Okay.

I should clarify, it sucks at being a mg. Also the fg42 GL with 900rpm is also worse than the standard variant with a lower rpm.

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Doesn’t it also have terrible MG movement deviation penalty? I bet its not much different than German BR2 MGs.

Ah, so suddenly the problem is MG weapon type and not small mag capacity in combination with high rof.

Anyway, that’s why I proposed this:


It has the lowest dispersion penalty for movement of all American and British machine guns.

Except for the Vickers Berthier. Which is broken because it doesn’t have one.

Well there is reason for that M1941 is recoil-operated and M1944E1 is gas operated … really the gas operated Johnsons are after the war… A gas-operated firearm generally has less recoil than a recoil-operated firearm…

The problem hasn’t changed, it’s small mag and high rpm make it not very good for doing mg duties.

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Sure but also give new BAR with 40 rounds at BR4

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Just don’t try to play this gun like the MG42. :man_shrugging: You also don’t play the BAR the same way as the MG34

That’s purely your fault if you can’t respect the advantages and disadvantages of the weapon you’re playing with. And you’re trying to use it in role of different weapon.

I dont know about that - MP5 is recoil operated - but has a delayed recoil system that smooths the initial recoil down by quite a bit, saying gas operated is generally less violent… i don’t know, I think the mass of the bolt and type of recoil spring have more influence on that than the way the bolt is being moved.

How do you think do we use now more gas-operated firearm or recoil-operated firearm ? Did M1944E1 had better rate of fire and recoil then M1941 ?

I understand that, as a automatic rifle it’s only any good at short range because of it’s rpm, automatic rifles are ment to be able to reach out further. All this is besides the point however because the current version is incorrect so it should be fixed.

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Well I would guess this has multiple reasons, also technically there are even differences between direct gas systems and those with gas pistons.

This topic is quite complicated I would say.

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Finally some one that can think

@Yamoto4299-live see my friend this is a statement that some one that can think not like you…

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Your saying I can’t understand a simple concept?

Your the one claiming that the manual is incorrect and actually lies about the rpm the gun should be fired at. Why would the writer on the manual hide the rpm the gun should be fired at in another part of the book, these manuals are ment to be dummy proof, the information is laid out simply not hidden.

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Talking about this - wasnt there something about simple blow back weapons having issues with reliability when using suppressors? Modern guns have adjustable gas ports for different bullet loads, that being said also one of the reasons why most western rifles nowadays use a gas piston system instead of the classical M16 system where the gas blows directly into the chamber to move the bolt is that when using a suppressor - more gas gets also blown back into the shooters face, of course not to mention that gas inside the chamber increases heat inside of moving parts.

Other reasons I can think of might be how a bolt unlocks its bolt after shooting, a gas system starts redirecting gas when the bullet has almost left the barrel and only moves the bolt when the bullet has already left the gun (recoil that starts before that could theoretically shift accuracy by quite some bit)

Well, many firearms utilizing a blowback system, which uses the expanding gas to cycle the weapon, can use a suppressor, but it’s crucial to select a compatible suppressor and may require tuning to manage the added blowback. High-pressure gases created by a suppressor can increase blowback, leading to potential issues like gas in the shooter’s face, increased parts wear, and reliability problems. Modern suppressors are often designed to reduce blowback, but some traditional models can increase it, so compatibility and proper selection are key.

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Johnston Model D1918 machine gun Johnston Model D1918 machine gun br4 we deserve