A case to downtier the Johnson lmg

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Currently in game the Johnson lmg has a 900 rpm. This makes it a nightmare to balance because sure it has a great rpm but it only has a 20 round mag.

So I suggest:

•reduce the rpm to 550 and downtier it to either br3 or possibly br2 if it receives nerfs elsewhere:

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How I arrived at the 550rpm number:

The user manual gives a range of 450-650 rpm:

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This secondary source helps close that range a bit:

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So with a default rpm of 550 and perhaps a upgraded rpm of something closer to 600, the Johnson could be downtired.

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The US will not have a BR4 machine gun and will not have a BR4 semi-automatic rifle. Right?

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For now, yes. But with future additions that niche can be filled.

Garand with GL is in tech tree.

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or make it a br4 rifle lol

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I dream of creating a full Johnson squad, I tried a few times when both were in BR4, but the result against FG42 was not interesting…

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I love the Johnson rifles, the spiral magazine is just real neet to look at and the heat shield is pretty cool.

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Having a Johnson LMG and rifle in BR III would make the ultimate marine’s loadout.

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I am assuming you mean you had a bad gaming experience. :rofl:

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Terrible suggestion.

There are numerous US/UK TT MGs in BR2/3. But there’s only a single TT BR4 MG.

So there’s definitely not any need for this change.

Not to mention that the manual is not inconsistent with the current depiction of Johnson’s LMG in Enlisted. As the weapon has a slow firing mode.

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You’d actually know that if you actually tried to play it.

Or you know that, and you’re just being deliberately manipulative. Which would probably be even worse.

Whatever…

Suggestions like this is prime example why the game is getting worse. By manipulating reality people are pushing for extremely weird changes.
From unique weapon, they want to create BAR no. 4 but with bad sights.

How is that an improvement to the game? Who knows. :man_shrugging:

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Dont understand the hate here.

The Johnson LMG isnt good at all. As @Yamoto4299-live says, its only got 20 rounds. Personally Im not a fan of the sights either.

The Germans at BR IV get the MG42 one of the best LMGs of the war, with 50 rounds. The Japanese have the TE4 which shoots crazy fast and has I believe 47 rounds? Might be wrong but its definitely a lot more than 20.

Personally I would folder the Johnson LMG with the BARA2 at BR III.

As for USA not having a BR IV rifle or LMG then, well I strongly believe thats a larger problem with BR IV rather than the johnson itself.

All the factions have weapons that should be in BR III or V, respectively, or some that are arguably OP for III but redundant for V.

DF needs to work BR IV out either adding a lot more content for all factions and letting BR IV be its own thing (maybe occasional uptiers for BR III idk) or get rid of BR IV completely.

I would argue that BR IV only really exists because of tanks. At the moment as Ive said theres a couple infantry weapons here and there for each faction at BR IV but they are just asking for an uptier to god mode BR V with jets and crap at which point they become rather pointless.

For instance the Kiraly SMG, yeah great gun but if you equip it chances are youll be up against BR V so why wouldnt you just use an assault rifle at that point like the Mk42 or STG44?

I am aware its too late now but Im so annoyed this game went to BR V it was a terrible idea and theyve tried to stretch everything out across 5 BRs and it just doesnt work so we get unbalance and all these fantasy prototype crap (the Japanese M2 carbine is entirely make-believe which is just sad)

But yeah if the forum has suggestions for more BR IV content that is actually reasonable at BR IV we are open to hearing that, otherwise DF needs to get rid of BR IV and just make sure BR III and BR V are isolated from each other.

Some have suggested BR IV should be the new BR V as a mostly realistic late war BR (separate to BR III) and then let the current BR V be the ultra late war fantasy prototype jet fighter land.

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Don’t try to label it as hate, it is not. :man_shrugging:

False.

Just because you don’t like limited mag capacity, it doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad weapon. Because it is not. :man_shrugging:

Lmao, Johnson LMG is totally different kind of an MG. It’s like comparing BAR to MG34.

Neither of the weapons you have mentioned have 1.9 sec alt reload. And their standard reload is basically the double of reload of Johnson LMG.

Johnson LMG is so much better MG for active aggressive playstyle than Te or MG42 ever will be. And it is upgrade to BARs. Its BR is justified.

People like you just want to deliberately change weapon they dislike and are not interested in playing in the first place. That’s quite obvious.

Literally only based on you not liking the weapon. Not on its performance.

The rest is total off topic.

The only change I would propose to Johnson LMG is to remove its movement speed penalty.
The weapon weights only 5.9 kg (far less than any BAR, so it doesn’t make any sense for them to have the same movement penalty).
It would make the weapon even more unique. And it would support its unique playstyle.

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The Johnson didn’t have a 900 rpm, simple as. As for no us br4 lmgs that can be fixed with new additions.

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No, that’s not correct.

What’s happening here is that you just cherry picked sources that support your agenda. And quite deliberately ignoring other sources that say something completely different.

Just to push totally lame changes into the game that doesn’t provide any meaningful improvement. Quite the opposite. You want to ruin unique weapon and remake it into yet another BAR like weapon.

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Please I beg you to find me a source that’s says the Johnson lmg definitely fired at 900rpm. And if by unique you mean its completely uncontrollable and burns through all it’s ammo in a few seconds then yeah I would like to change it and coincidentally the facts are on my side.

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Wait till he figures it out:

'‘While the weapon offered this feature, the slow rate of fire (200 rpm) was often difficult to achieve in practice due to the awkward side-feeding, single-stack magazine and the weapon’s heavy recoil. "’

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I’m not going to try to convince someone who is already convinced of his own truth. :man_shrugging:

Especially someone who deliberately cherry picks sources just to create a narrative to serve his agenda.

The weapon is easily playable in its current state. In fact, it is very good.

But rather than letting others have fun with it. When it’s obviously not a weapon for you. You are deliberately pushing an agenda just to change it to suit your own liking.

Which is quite pathetic. Especially in this context, that gun is quite unique at the moment. And there is no equivalent in the game that offers this kind of unique gunplay.

Whereas you want to throw it all away. And turn that weapon into just another BAR variant, of which there are plenty of in the game already (±10, if we count weapons like Ke and other various premium/BP weapons).

Gameplay should always be above some HA agendas, especially since it’s something that really can’t be 100% proven.

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Translation: I can’t because no such source exits.

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I’m sorry if you’d rather play a fantasy game, could I suggest Fortnite or COD for you to play?

Personally I don’t want to turn it into a BAR, I want to downtier it to br2 with the correct nerfs.

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Also give it 25 round , that would make it awsome but I fear that would put it in BR 3

And bayonet is also needed
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Anyone who knows how to use internet can see for themselves that you are just being willfully deceiving. :man_shrugging:

And that my statement…

…is 100% correct.

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Show me the sources that I “don’t want people to see”, you can’t be because they don’t exist. All you’ve done is ignore facts. If your approach was used to balancing every weapon then within a few updates each gun would have fantasy stats.

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