20 Round Tech Tree Rifles for BR4

Yes, this has been suggested multiple times, but this is in the context of the recent Farquhar-Hill reward that has gotten some peoples’ attention. Between the 19 round magazine and 16.8 upgraded damage, these can be standard stats for BR 4 semi auto rifles, thus bridging the gap between BR 3 and 5 more evenly. I think these weapons make the most sense, in the context of trying to pick weapons as close to service as possible while also making sense from a gameplay progression perspective:

USSR: SVT 40-20

AVT 20 Patronov

For those who don’t know, the SVT-40 and AVT-40 are nearly identical weapons, with the only difference being the fire selector behind the trigger. Thus, an SVT 40-20 is totally plausible.

USA: Winchester G30M 20 (M1940), or T1920 Garand



This is the same rifle on the BR 2 premium engineer squad, but with a 20 round magazine. This is different from the later Winchester G30R.

The other option is the T1920 Garand. This weapon, while being more closely related to the M1 Garand and T20, makes less sense in the context of a World War II shooter, and might make more sense as a Battle Pass weapon. Regardless, I felt it was worth mentioning since it’s the closest thing to a middle ground between the two weapons mentioned that I know of from the same weapons lineage.

UK/Commonwealth: Electrolux Charlton or SLR



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This is a conversion of the Lee-Enfield to a semi-automatic rifle by the Electrolux company in Australia, unlike the other Charlton we are familiar with. This weapon still accepts Lee-Enfield magazines (depicted in images 1 and 2), including the 20 round trench magazine in the third image. It’s also the magazine featured on the Charlton in-game for some reason (the 30 round magazine should be a converted Bren magazine).


SLR

The other option is the Canadian SLR, developed by Small Arms Limited in response by the British in 1943 to develop a semi-automatic rifle based around the 7.92x57mm cartridge. It competed against the British/Belgian SLEM-1 and performed favourably to it, but was never adopted.

Germany: Gewehr 43 20


This is the same magazine found on the Gerat 03 premium rifle. It supposedly was used in small numbers in field trials.

Italy: Breda PG Carcano

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Breda PG Carcano

I’m the least married to this one, since it already exists as a Battle Pass weapon, but I couldn’t think of a better option that might actually fire automatically, or simply didn’t have the magazine capacity. Also, since it fires 6.5mm, the damage could be reduced to 14.5 (Scotti Model X), and possibly have better stats in other categories. If there’s a better potential option here, please let me know about it!

Japan: ZH-29 20



ZH-29 Thailand 7.65mm Mauser

When Manchuria was taken over by the Japanese in 1931, they had captured a decent number of Northern Chinese ZH-29 rifles, which became the basis of the Tokyo Gas & Electric rifle (Type Otsu). Thailand (formerly Siam) was also an ally of Japan, and participated in the Burmese campaign, who had purchased ZH-29s in 1931.

I’m open to hearing your guys’ thoughts on these suggestions! Thanks for reading.

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Perfect for Germany and the USSR who have a BR4 SA that can be moved to BR3. Not so perfect for Japan and US that lack a BR4 SA tech tree that can be moved to BR3. For the Hundredth time the Garand is not equal to the GW43 unless you lower the reload time by 25% or more and make the load time of the Johnson 1941 the same as the GW43.

You would also have to Give the gw41 and Type 4 bufs. or you could move the Garand because what is 2 bullets goes both ways. if the Garand having two less bullets then the GW43 is no big deal then the Garand having 2 more bullets then the german sa at br2 should be no big deal.

That being said if the BR3 4 issue can be solved that would not be the worst solution to the sf problem. I also recommended moving the current br5 to b6 six and creating a new br5. i think there is a big gap between br4 and 5 rifles less so with other weapons. but again that means moving br4 rifles to br which you think is no big deals i disagree. its not just germany against ussr germany also fight us and does not deserve an unfair advantage it already has that with br4 mg.

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I would just add 10 round rifles with detachable magazines at BR 3 for USA and Japan. The best examples I can think of off of the top of my head would be the Johnson M1938 (vertical magazine feed) and the long-barreled version of the Type Hei Late, with a damage increase to 14.5.


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I also agree that US needs a more appropriate MG at BR 4, but I can’t express all of the changes and additions I would like in a single post. Let’s keep the conversation on topic of rifles.

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but you cant keep GW41, Type 4, Johnson 1941, Garand at br3 without major buffs. also not sure if it is correct but i was informed the gun you put a sportified Johnson is eight not ten shots, the reason they went with a rotary magazine is because they wanted ten not 8 shots. there are some prototype Garand rifles that have ten round magazines. but you cant move GW41, Type 4, Johnson 1941, Garand to br2 without major nerfs.

ok ill stick to rifles which br 4 3 are part of because of course ten round sa cant compete with 20.

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Very cool, the game for sure needs it !

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Tipo terni model 1921(Semi auto variant )(Fires intermediate cartilage so something like VG1-5)
25 round detachable magazine was meant to be fed by strippers


It’s not 20 rounds but we already have big differences in round sizes Bar and MG 34, Johnson LMG and MG 34 75 rounds, Type 4 and M1 Garand, armaguerra and M1 carbine Etc so I think it’s not a problem.

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Johnson Rifle Type V (UK Testing) 10 Round Mag
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When tested in Britain in 1938, the Johnson Type V had a 10 round magazine. The reason why it evolved into a 10 round rotary magazine was the US military didn’t want detachable magazines for their rifles (hence the en-bloc prominence).

The problem with this is that it’s a fully automatic weapon, not semi-auto, firing an intermediate cartridge.

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Garand Model 1919 | Gun Wiki | Fandom well until greater proof is provided i will trust youre source, also anther 20/30 round us gun

This is analogous to a BAR, not a rifle. The T1920 is directly related to the M1919, but as an evolution into a semi-automatic rifle platform.

There are two different variants, semi-automatic and SF

Tipo terni model 1921 but as a SF rifle(fires intermediate cartilage


using the 6.5x55 base dimensions propelling a 8.71 gram bullet to 600 m/s (135 gr at 2000 fps). This gun competed in an Italian trial in May 1923, alongside a 6.5mm carbine and three 9mm Glesenti submachine gun designs. The Terni rifle was the only favored design and was further developed in 1928, but never went beyond the prototype stage.(The rifle in this picture is a semi-auto prototype, but selective-fire models were actually made. and Amazingly, a few of these guns have actually recently been discovered in Ethiopia, so they must have been issued to a limited extent during the Italo-Ethiopian War of 1935. They were made in semi-automatic and selective-fire variations.)(7.35x32mm which I guess is kind of intermediate cartilage. An AR also 25-round “strip feed” box magazine Detachable box magazine)

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Looks like you’re correct, and I am wrong. “Senza la raffica” literally means “without burst”, and “automatico” was universally used for any self-loading action.

Either way, definitely more analogous to the VG 1-5. It would still make a cool addition to the game!

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https://photos.kitmaker.net/review/7929/2.jpgy .276 T3 smaller bullet but should work for br3
.276 Pedersen and the “Other” Garand? - The Armory Life
Man loading dummy .276 cartridges

Loading dummy .276 cartridges into a 10-round Garand en bloc clip at Springfield Armory National Historic Site in September 2019.
En bloc Garand clip loaded with 10 .276 Pedersen cartridges

sorry for harping on it but some people just want to move the gew43 to br3 without any other changes

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It is not.

This one is event weapon. The BP version has burst mode and sits on BR5.


But whatever, that wasn’t your point anyway.

Don’t really need BR4 Italian tech tree weapon. As there won’t ever be proper BR4 Italian lineup in the first place. And event/BP stuff definitely shouldn’t be put in TTs.

The photo is from AVT, and in general we already have an SVT-40 with a drum magazine by Bubnov.

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Yes, this is an AVT 40. My suggestion is to use the 20 round magazine currently on the new AVT-40 20, and make a version of the SVT-40 for the tech tree with that same magazine.

Having this weapon means that the Bubnov can still have it’s own unique identity, while still giving the Soviet tree a BR 4 rifle with a 20 round magazine that makes sense from a progression and historical accuracy perspective. I hoped that this was all encompassed in my OP, but I can communicate it again.

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