15mm mg151 is the worst cannon in Enlisted and must power up

the 15mm mg151 on Bf109 F2 is the worst cannon in Enlisted game, It can’t use explodes to kill infantry, and effectively killed tanks and can’t shoot down aircraft either ,especially this cannon has lots of HeFI-T and AP-T in clip rounds. An IL-2 was being hit by my 15mm mg151 cannon over 100 rounds but can still fly with black smoke , it just turns around and broke my plane using only few SHvAK rounds.
This cannon should power up immediately.

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Havent used the 15mm for a while. They used to be very potent vs tanks (in warthunder). I found them good for pilot snipes in Enlisted, decent ammo count and better ballistics but weaker round.

Dont know how they are doing now.

IL-2 is just broken and overpowered

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In this game, the Soviets use Stalinium to build the IL-2.

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Is the IL-2 back to flying tank status? that hasnt been around for ages (it used to soak up everyhthing, even 20mms…that and round desync). Havent tried in the last few weeks but even MGS on the stuka was bringing it down pretty comfortably in recent times

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Why yes - the smallest cannon in the game has the least damage output - which is why it was replaced with larger cannon that were more effective IRL.

That said it can certainly shoot down Il-2’s - you just need to hit more often with it.

Last time I did that it took almost 2 ammo loads to do so - ie a reload was required, and hte enemy pilot conveniently tried to follow and dogfight me in his smoking a/c, which make it a lot easier! :slight_smile:

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MMM no
il2 dies pretty quickly, at least since I’ve been using the BF110 or 109 f1

but yes, some of the airplane guns need a fix

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don’t cannons start at 20mm wide at the smallest?

Thats what i thought. I havent flown against the IL 2 for a few weeks but 20mm and up just wrecked and sustained twin 7mms were just getting it done (when it was necessary)

OP’s post had me worried/wondering for a sec

15mm is generally recognized as a cannon, as it is capable of firing effective* HE shells.

*for some definition of “effective” that you may or may not agree with!! Yes we all know that there are “HE” rounds from 7.62mm up, hence the definition of “effective”.

Also some people think that if it is too big to be carried and used by infantry then that makes it a cannon.

IL2 will soak up shots… from less experimented pilots who merely follow behind and shoot at it’s tail. diving on it from above, or intercepting from the sides will gut the poor IL2 as usual.

As for the F2… I haven’t used it since a while. it’s specs are identical to the F1, and while I can appreciate more hmg rounds, the 20mm just cut other planes into pieces so beautifully…

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Still got him though! Win!..

I must have been somewhat more lucky with IL’S I shot down. Probably just over half my ammo for the few I remember (1 sawed off the wing tip very quickly…I remember because it suprised me). I do alot more deflection shooting though as @Conscript_Joe mentioned. In the Stuka I mostly try to ignore them unless I see them glance my way lol. Its a bit of effort Id rather spend bombing.

While we are talking about cannons, any change to the tempest or hispano cannons recently? (been a good month since I had a go, but while they were still capable, they were underwhelming.)

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13mm MG131, 15mm MG151/15, 20mm MG151/20.

il2 just a sample ,in fact this cannon is bad to every aircraft

the cannon is bad to every thing no just il2

The 15mm of the bf is a grain of salt more bigger than an anti-tank rifle and because his lower caliber logic want is bad to kill everything is not a moderate armored plane

Same other low caliber under the 50mm not sufficient explosive filler for do what you ask

@Myrm1don no il2 is still killable if you dont shoot only at the center of the plane but even at wing and tail, and no changes to hispano still status quo

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I think they fixed the hispano canons.

Got the premium Tempest in Normandy, it now shreds accordingly. I WAS indeed buggy before, rounds seemed to just… disappear. It’s a very nice plane now, that I take out when I see a bf109 ace in the skies.

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Why is it so difficult (near impossible) to hurt tanks with aircraft cannons? I went into practice mode with several planes and was unable to to consistent damage to tanks with cannons under 37mm, a 40mm from a premium plane being the most consistent. Whereas, for me, a 20mm, rarely if ever will damage or destroy a tank–seemingly if it was already burning and my guns made last contact, I’ll get credit, but to me that is not a clean kill.

In Tunisia there is a 7.62mm AT rifle that can (realistically) only penetrate armor between the tracks, and small bits of the turret - while the 12.7mm aircraft cannons are unable to do so, or even penetrate the top of the turret or engine cowl, where armor is generally very thin. I’ve been experimenting with this over a few months, trying to make comparisons between other weapons available with similar calibers, and I’ve just about given up deciding that devs do not want planes to hurt tanks with guns… a real world bf109 k4 would likely have incendiary rounds and at the least could set a tank on fire, but we don’t get that.

edit: I have generalized… also, the 7.62mm AT rifle was historically only effective in early war, and technically didn’t penetrate armor, but caused spalling on the interior which injured/killed crew and damaged equipment.

37 and 40 mm cannon were often given armour piercing rounds, and are simply bigger guns so their projectiles have more energy.

20mm were usually given HE rounds - and so have poor penetration because of that, and also because the ammunition simply has less energy.

anti-tank rifles have insanely large propelling charges and some sort of armour piercing ammunition - hard steel or even tungsten cores.

For example see this:

almost none of these 2 paragraphs is true - 30mm incendiary ammo had next to no armour piercing capability, Anti-tank rifles most certainly did penetrate armor and damage the internals with whatever residual energy the projectile had afterwards - they did not spall worth a dam!

While tank armour is thin on top, “thin” can be as much as 20 or 25mm - this is thicker than front and side armour of some early tanks!

Also aircraft tend to shoot from longer range, and at oblique angles - both of which make their guns less effective at anti-tank work.

Admittedly, my post was low effort… so I expected someone to come along and shit on it… With that said, 25mm is only ~1-inch, an inch being defined as 25.4mm, and having a quick look at the .50 wiki, it could penetrate that until later in WW2 when vehicles were hardened to it. However, after also just quickly looking at the tanks of Axis in Tunisia as example, I found top armor is somewhere between 5-17mm… Aircraft guns, firing from above, should be able to penetrate 5mm, and at the very least consistently ignite engine bays, but they obviously don’t.