[WIP] Why this game is way worse than the 10 years old Red Orchestra 2 (except graphic and vehicle)

Enlisted should be a good game if the mechanism fixed.
If the game developed from the April-Mosocow-Tese in 2020, it would be good.
Other so called changes, I mean seriously it sucks.

Ive paid 50$ for this game , in my country i can buy 2 Red Dead Redemption 2 with these money ,more than 10 RO2, how can this game compare with Red Dead Redemption 2 and RO2

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@Josephs_Piano is against making these changes. So you agreeing with him does not make sense

You are not giving criticism or complaint particularly, merely going on about stupid stuff that you can’t even compare, provide constructive feedback that can actually be understood of what you think should be changed so it can be discussed and perhaps implemented.

Oh my god, will everyone stop going on about Red Orchestra 2, that game is 100% complete and is ten years old, with plenty of community additions, this game is nowhere near that point, so please provide constructive feedback to this game specifically, or none at all. @47671912 @30029933 @sfh0525

Also, stop going on about paying $50-60 to play the game, it very, VERY clearly stated what you were getting for that price which you didn’t have to pay I might add, you only had to buy one pack to get access and didn’t even have to do that in the first place, but saying you paid even $50 to play this game is extremely disingenuous.

Plus that money is to support the devs, not active monetisation for the game, everything that has happened in game so far has been rewards to players, not setup as monetisation venues, we do not yet know how they will do so.

And in reference to being F2P, that was a community decision a few years back, so don’t turn it on the devs, besides, you realise that games cost money to make and then it costs money to keep servers running, let alone continual dev support right?

In the past version, Berlin, Moscow AT, this game looks promising. But now, as my locked threads
https://forum.enlisted.net/t/can-you-stop-fucking-input-disgusting-mechanism-even-when-the-game-is-just-half-finished/3162/26
They are just doing poorer and poorer.

There is a very obvious reason why that thread is locked, I suggest you do not bring it up.

Plus as I said, create a thread with actual constructive feedback, not some BS long ass post saying nothing.

Just because you and the dev cant bear any criticism?

And this is the mess room, I have the right to share my thoughts, now the criticism to this game.

You have no right to be actively rude to anyone, at least without repercussion, the thread was not locked for them not bearing criticism, it was locked because you were just being extremely rude and toxic. If you think it was ok to do so and especially if you think it was because they can’t bear criticism, perhaps you need to leave the forum and not come back, perhaps even leave the game entirely if you cannot produce a well constructed and calm post that clearly expresses the improvements you would like to see without being rude. We do not want to deal with people who cannot do such a simple task and don’t think about what they say, or worse in your case, think that it is right to do as you did.

While I agree here

This is false. While there are some ways to get access, those are luck based. If you want guaranteed access right now, you have to pay.

Yet their design principles show that many people still care about it despite being that old, so it has stuff done right. Being in beta is not an excuse for terrible game design, only an excuse for lack of content.

VERY false. You buy ingame items - so it is monetization.
If it was setup like “donate X and if you donate more than Y you get Z”, then it was for support.
Here you are BUYING PACKS. It is monetization. The devs have made it very clear that they are interested in making more premium packs with their “feedback on prem soldiers” thread, but not actually changing anything about the existing premium soldiers.
They are most likely preparing a premium squad for Normandy as we speak

On top of that, we already have seen a preview for premium account time, giving +100% XP rate on everything, +1 max infantry squad in matches and +1 max vehicle squad in matches (meaning you can take both planes and tanks etc)

The current international community feels very different about it than the mostly Russian community at the time

And you do realise they already have financial investment by Gaijin, money coming in from CRSED FOAD and have already done a kickstarter for Enlisted, right?

That was locked for inproper language. If your critisism was written properly, it would not have been locked.

That I have to agree on

And at this point you are becomming rude.

Sorry but as a non native English speakers, this is what I can express and my anger.

its a game in 2011, 10 YEAR PAST HAD THE GAME born ,how cant i compare,are you something wrong???

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You can ask a native speaker for help when constructing a post.
Expressing anger is not good to get your voice heard.

No, it is true, you only had to buy a single $30 pack to get access, so calling it $50 is disingenuous.

In that case, make threads about what you want to improve, rather than long and convoluted threads that say very little.

That is not how games work, the game itself has to make the money or it will get cancelled since it becomes a money sink, not a bath.

That was because sfh seriously thought it was ok to be as rude as he was in that thread which we really don’t want here.

Errr what?! By the very nature of being ten years old and finished, they cannot be compared, let alone being different styles of games anyway.

I never mentioned the last part. I never mentioned the diffrence. I only mentioned you have to pay.

Please read these:

I have made at least a dozen.

No. A game needs initial investment as you can not fund a game by selling in-game items that do not exist. Once the game is developed, you start introducing monetization, which they did now. You don’t think it is monetization though, you think it is charity for some reason.

That I do agree on, but there is no need for you to become rude to him for it.

Being 10 years old has nothing to do with game design, as shown with the lastest AAA games. All AAA studios just update the graphics and change the setting for their otherwise essentially identical game every year.

this game even worse than 10 year before game you just say that is different???GUY PLS GO TO HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY,I M REALLY WORRYING ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.another enlisted is a 18 + game, pls make sure you fit the game

I wasn’t necessarily talking directly to you there, I was talking about your point, rather than a very long comparison thread with very little of actual relevance, state what you want to change and perhaps mention that this game does it well.

That’s because it is the point of the packs, to support the devs and get rewards for it, we are not at the point of how they will actually monetise it and in reference to the game needing money from other stuff first, yes, of course it does, but it then needs to make that money back and much more to be worth keeping around.

Saying we don’t want people who think being rude is ok is perfectly valid (though it did feel slightly OTT as I said it, it doesn’t change that if you can’t be polite, you don’t belong on the internet itself imo, let alone a reasoned forum simply there to provide constructive feedback to the devs).

Not particularly, especially since game design HAS changed a lot over even the last ten years, plus they can’t be compared because:

  1. They are different freaking games with different premises
  2. That game is complete and has been released for ten years, this one is not even released, yet comparisons are being made with Post release material.

No need to be rude, instead of simply saying a game is worse than another one (see above) which does absolutely nothing, provide constructive feedback as to how to improve this one.
In addition, how you can’t see that they are entirely different games mind boggles me, perhaps it is you whom needs to follow your own advice.

Overall, please stop making these threads, they bog down what are actually useful ones that the devs can actually implement.

We are there, though.
We get to keep these overpowered soldier even after full release.

Well, no. Not really.
FIFA still is a football game
CoD is still a shooter.

Yes we had outliers like Titanfall, but as the design was not good enough, the game died.
And Enlisted will be the same if it does not get it’s design straight.

Well in principle both are WW2 shooters.

That is a drastic oversimplification like the rest of your reply, most of their characteristics are identical to a maxed out normal squad and could be adjusted to be better in the future, plus they aren’t really that useful in terms of general gameplay and advancement

That is one company that has enough idiots who will buy the same game each year that they don’t change it, look at almost any other game or company and design has drastically changed, since that is the purpose of making a new game, you have to make it different to be successful. That is to let alone that the premise of this game is entirely different to that of RO2.

Further over simplification, see above.
That is like saying that Ashes of the Singularity is the same as DOTA or StarCraft, or potentially even League of Legends.

Except the fact that they have double the perk capacity and do not require 40h per soldier to max out?

Most of the most successful games are actually games that stuck to their design very well
TF2
Minecraft

Just that the details are diffrent, does not mean that they are uncomparable. For example, in another post, we praised RO2 for having internal tank models which looked much better than the current viewports we have in tanks for Enlisted. Enlisted chose to implement them, but very poorly. That is a design choice.

AotS would be comparable to Supreme Commander. The other ones would be too difficult, but SupCom and AotS can be compared. Just like RO2 and Enlisted can.