Win bonus have to go

[Lisqs]

most likely they’re afraid their XP boost will be gone when in practice the missing XP boost will be transfered somewhere else to remain exp gain as it is.

[Adamnpee]

@Lisqs

most likely they’re afraid their XP boost will be gone

Not really

@EdVanSchleck

So First of all, in my opinion, this game needs a XP buff for players joining randomly. And this is something that might come.
Secondly I believe that the winner should always be better rewarded. I know that some campaigns and factions are easy peanuts in this case. Including the actual ranking system, which can be obtained in no time, if a player decides to surf on the wave.
For me personally, my choices of what exactly I play never depends on winning or loosing.
When I, f.e. want to play axis Tunisia for the moment, I go in fully prepared to be overrun, thus making it less fun. But why should I be rewarded?
To me personally, it sounds like a typical modern issue with kids:
If they lose they get a price for participating, as we don’t someone to be hurt.
You lost, then you lost.
On the other hand, it would be cool to have an underdog bonus. Yet, the game is designed to give that bonus to less populated factions via faster capping and stuff. (Not so much a fan of, as it proved to be not efficient enough).
All in all we can just wait what the developers have in mind for that.

Or

@Forlorn_Squad

I don’t agree at all.

Personally the grind has always been second nature for me. Playing enjoyable games are the most important thing.

Give up the multiplier for winning will erase the idea of winning (ie playing the objective) and will lead to the most boring gameplay you can imagine.

“You lost, then you lost”
Deal with it, lmao

I recommend to read whole topic from which I am quoting.

[khtk395]

@Conscript_Joe

In Enlisted, there’s a big penalty for being in the losing side. If you normalize the 1.5% bonus the winning side gets as just the normal amount of xp, the fact the losing side does not get it could also mean a plain penalty. Different way of saying it, but it’s an equivalent.

Lol next time if you join any competition and lose. You should complain to the authority that they punish you.

@Conscript_Joe

Now ppl will say “but ppl will stop trying to win without xp incentives!!!” It’s just not true. At all. Humanity being competitive by nature, even with 0 xp involved in game, players try to win. It was true in good old games I mentioned up. Still true today. Just go see custom matchs, like:

Lol if this statement is true, they won’t desert due to not getting 1.5 x XP in the first place.

[Adamnpee]

@khtk395

Lol if this statement is true, they won’t desert due to not getting 1.5 x XP in the first place.

Doesn’t make sense. I am desserting because it’s waste of time to not win. 1,5x is huge bonus. I am wasting time every time I try to carry bad team which is going to loose anyway.

I am trying to get as many things as I can before merge.

[Jade_Stern]

There is a problem that can’t be ignored. Players who run away from the team will greatly affect your victory, which is why people are angry. Because the players who stayed were harmed by the players who escaped, and if no one in the team escaped, then everyone might have no resentment.

[ForlorN]

@Conscript_Joe

I mean seriously.

We play boring card games with family, no money involved, and everyone tries to win.

Friendly soccer practice. Scores don’t matter but… Everyone tries to win.

Except in this game. There’s a huge amount of players that don’t give a fck about winning or losing.

Like Adamnpee said himself, still he liked your statement here and agrees with you (kinda weird).

@Adamnpee

This game is filled with casuals. If you thinking changing stats in leaderboard will change their ingame behavior, wow. That’s just extremely naive.
They are simply enjoying the game, they really do not care if your team will win or not.

[khtk395]

@Adamnpee

Doesn’t make sense. I am desserting because it’s waste of time to not win. 1,5x is huge bonus. I am wasting time every time I try to carry bad team which is going to loose anyway.

Lol we are not talking about the same thing.

[Conscript_Joe]

@khtk395

Lol if this statement is true, they won’t desert due to not getting 1.5 x XP in the first place.

“Lol” they will, because the sense of inequalities created by the big difference in rewards. One side is heavily rewarded for playing well. The other side gets jack shit, even players who lost because of the time, but DID play well.

“Lol”

[Stein_Grenadier]

Remove the grind, and the rate people earn shit for their performance won’t matter anymore.

'Cept this is a free-to-play game, and the grind is integral.

Efficiency in grinding is the meta.

[ForlorN]

I think rewarding the top players on the losing side is a great idea. Neutralize the multiplier for wining/losing - the worst thing that they could do.

[khtk395]

@Conscript_Joe

“Lol” they will, because the sense of inequalities created by the big difference in rewards. One side is heavily rewarded for playing well. The other side gets jack shit, even players who lost because of the time, but DID play well.

Wow then what does this mean? They won’t care even there is 0xp?

@Conscript_Joe

At all. Humanity being competitive by nature, even with 0 xp involved in game, players try to win.

[Conscript_Joe]

@Forlorn_Squad

Except in this game. There’s a huge amount of players that don’t give a fck about winning or losing.

I’d get on board IF ppl playing well get something. Like if best players, even from losing side, get the 1.5%.

Because losing that bonus because of a bad team… well ppl just desert.

[ForlorN]

100 % agreed.

[Conscript_Joe]

You gotta learn the concept of artificially created inequalities to understand. Might be above you thought.

[Adamnpee]

@Forlorn_Squad

Except in this game. There’s a huge amount of players that don’t give a fck about winning or losing.

Like Adamnpee said himself, still he liked your statement here and agrees with you (kinda weird).

@Adamnpee

This game is filled with casuals. If you thinking changing stats in leaderboard will change their ingame behavior, wow. That’s just extremely naive.

They are simply enjoying the game, they really do not care if your team will win or not.

Because it’s unrelated.
I don’t believe many of those casuals are even aware of any bonus for victory.
I don’t believe any bonuses could influence this particular group of players. That’s why I think argument “victory bonus is motivation” is completely false.
It will never impact in any way the most numerous group in enlisted - casuals.
They either care about winning or they does not. No matter any bonus.

[khtk395]

@Conscript_Joe

You gotta learn the concept of artificially created inequalities to understand. Might be above you thought.

If xp really means nothing to them. People won’t care which team gets more xp.
If people care about which team get more xp, it means they care about xp.

[ForlorN]

@Adamnpee

Because it’s unrelated.
I don’t believe many of those casuals are even aware of any bonus for victory.
I don’t believe any bonuses could influence this particular group of players. That’s why I think argument “victory bonus is motivation” is completely false.

On the other hand, I think you’re an exception for deserting having this XP-thing as your primary reason.

I’m competitive by nature. Like Joe’s example, I want to win regardless.
I desert some battles. But it’s because of integrity and that I’m valuing my own free time. I don’t desert because I’m about to lose, like you (because that’s the most convenient way to grind).

The reason why people leave games is, IMO, because:

• they think teams are unbalanced
• they’re fresh-installs and getting slaughtered by high-level players
• they can’t accept losing

I can’t imagine the majority of ppl deserting do it because it’s more efficient and thinking about how much XP they will get or not.

[Adamnpee]

@khtk395

If xp really means nothing to them. People won’t care which team gets more xp.

It is only frustrating to people like myself because:

@Adamnpee

For example - I am on first place in my team, having 6k points earned by playing infantry objectives.
Second best player in my team is having only 2k points doing this stuff.
Meanwhile top 3 enemy players has 4k points doing the same stuff as I did. (But individually objectively worse than me) Rest of their team did basically nothing. Why rest of their team should get bonus for doing nothing? And why should be I punished for being put in objectively worse team?

It’s just extremely unfair.
I am literally paying money for premium stuff and so… So I can level up faster.

[ForlorN]

@Adamnpee

It is only frustrating to people like myself because:

yeah, this issue concerns more experienced players who played for about 12 months or more.

And as OP suggests, it would be a great trade-off if the top-players were awarded.
I mean they have this system for the meaningless ranks. So why not?
If it would keep this group stay to fight til the end, I would be more than happy.

[Andruven]

People don’t desert because they are going to lose, they desert because they are going to have a bad time. Fix the matchmaker and make games more enjoyable and people will stay in matches. Getting rid of the win bonus removes the incentive for winning. Enjoy your games of 2 teams sat camping for 25 minutes.