OK, I just cheeked something like 100,000 Japanese prisoners died in Russian POW camps, and Like the German prisoners many were kept until the 1950’s.
Fact is there were no(t many) battles so what should Df do? Invent them? At least Iwo Jima can be used in some kind of island battle campaign with different islands.
Also means that the other factors didnt (really) matter as well as Japan didnt surrender the first time. The source is keep circling around and they seem to prefer the explanation with Allied air raids.
Yeah. Two Garands vs. Four PPShs is the same (and Tunisia is more about the Britians).
Sry for that. Just kinda lazy to write Japanese.
USSR did the heavy lifting in WW2. Deal with it. There should honestly be 10 Eastern Front campaigns per each different one.
I literally speculated about a possible new campaign style with several sides, all of which could be cool and interesting to play with, not sure why you got your panties in a bunch.
Fact is without Allied supplies the incompetent Soviet command , the Soviets couldnt have done shit after 1942.
(Now something which is ACTUALLY related to the game)
NOBODY wanna play 10 campaigns with the same damn nation(s) except some Soviet mains and commie ants. Same goes playing the Germans for the fifth time to a point where only Stalingrad and Normandy have enough Germans while the Axis in Berlin, Africa and partly Moscow get sealclubbed.
Manchuria is both boring, unbalanced and after three “maps” we would get “fanatasy” maps where there were no fights at all.
Both the United Kingdom and the US were used like 1,5 times (UK guns and premium tanks but no free squad and a low amount of US squads and guns in Africa compared to the UK).
Also by looking at the frequent demands for Western Allied campaigns in Asia compared to the rather low amount amount of demands for the one or two Soviet operations in the Far East… the market wins I guess.
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Wow thank you for your expert analysis. I’m sure you have a PhD in Soviet command and decision making on each front. /s
You still need to attack, kill and die to get that 80% of total German losses.
Let me guess, you are looking at the English speaking ‘demands’?
Well let me surprise you, the non-English speaking playerbase couldn’t care less about Iwo Jimas and Burmas by the most part.
Great quote from another thread:
Personally I would take Kursk, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Karelia, Caucasus and Koenigsberg over anything like Pacific or France any day, be it campaigns, sub-campaigns or maps.
Boring? lol I would take just as well Manchuria because it’s underrepresented and appealing to me over any US/UK campaign. I am like level 7 on all factions of Normandy and Tunisia because I just don’t care - here’s a clear example for you.
But at the same time, once again, I’m speculating about a campaign with several factions involved - and once again idk why you got your panties in a bunch about that.
Don’t like the idea? Don’t endorse it.
I like it.
This is a GREAT IDEA.
This would also bring more players from U.S, Australia and Asian countries to servers, it would be easy to market and it would kind of “complete” the whole WWII section for a long time, by thus allowing the developers to expand/ deepen the already existing campaigns with new maps, details, more space in the maps, more units, paratroopers and so on.
However, before implementing Japan VS U.S/ Britain, I would really like to see additional maps on the Stalingrad, for example these four suggestions implemented:
- Crane Elevator.
- Tractor Factory.
- Underground Stalingrad - Meaning the vast water networks, cellars connected and so on where fighting was just… Out of this world brutal? This could also be the first/ only map where planes/ tanks would be more or less useless, a fun break away from that.
- Stalingrad Outskirts.
- Thank you.
I have to correct this, as this is misleading. There is no conclusive evidence that points to the atomic bombs or the Russian invasion caused the Japanese military and Emperor Hirohito to surrender, as the transcripts for those meetings are inconclusive at best. However, what we do know for sure is which one of those two convinced the Japanese public to stop, that being the atomic bomb. In Emperor Hirohito’s speech calling for the surrender of Japan in August 14th, 1945 (linked below), he goes out of his way to credit bring up the atomic bomb as the reason he ordered the military to stand down, but he only mentions the Soviets once, and that is when he lists off all the countries Japan is communicating with to coordinate the surrender. Not once does he mention the Russian invasion of Manchuria. Thus, while you can argue that the atomic bombs may not have convinced the Japanese military to surrender, you cannot argue that the atomic bombs did not convince Japan to surrender, as Hirohito’s speech was the thing that convinced the population to stand down, and when the population stood down, the country effectively stood down.
Soldiers without food, proper logisic (trucks, trains, railways blablabla), proper cloth, proper fuel etc. are useless. Thats(one of) the main reason why the Soviets failed the Winter War and got ass kicked by the Jerries in the first two years of Barbarossa. Similiar reason why the German warmachine collapsed in Russia and North Africa or why the Ital Itals lost basically all campaigns without the help of Germany.
Or like nowadays in Ukraine lol
Why should we give a crap about the Russians who are too stupid/ ignorant to learn/ write (in) English? I know its kinda hard for motherland Russia, but there are other nations apart from Russia and English is spoken by like how many people vs. how many people are speaking Russian or any similar language?
And of course the Russians don’t give a crap, but again sadly… most people outside of Russia don’t wanna play Russia for the 10th time (not only because someone has to play AGAINST Russia as well). Df can give the Russians what they want, but then everyone who is not brainwashed enough to be excited to play Russia for the 10th time is either going to leave the game or just sticking with the old campaigns while the ass-boring ehhh glorious and totally interesting and completely new Eastern Front campaigns are going to have entire bot-only teams on the German side liek Berlin . And the Russian players are not necessary known for buying stuff since iirc they favored this fremium crap over “buy it once and thats it”.
I dont know but that sounds boring. The same stuff, the same sides… you are either addicted to copium or just a commie ant/ tankie consoomer parody.
Well, commie. YOU started this and all that because I made a nasty comment about the Soviet plunder… ehhh glorious liberation of Manchuria, which forced you to come with the nukes of the Yankees for no reason, starting this redundant whataboutism to prove… idk that the plunder… eh glorious liberation of Manchuria was soo important blablabla
How dare I to insult glorious motherland Russia.?
Apparently the world is bigger and more diverse than motherland Russia and most people don’t wanna play lazy copy-paste campaign to a point where you could call this the definition of insanity. I don’t care what the Russians think, unless they are ready to write in English and leave their safe subforum safe spaces… or at least take woody into their gulags.
But well… such a low level of expectation for a new campaign…
Damn bro you ok? Try writing that about some people of color minority instead of the Russians and you’re cancelled in 3 2 1.
Or at least ask your wife’s boyfriend to help you calm down or something.
Do you even history? lol
The USSR got the territory it wanted, the reparations and a treaty where Finland accepts its aggression - that’s called winning the war.
Germany lost so much men and equipment during summer-fall of 1941, let alone was stopped and counterattacked in winter, that only a complete novice would call that “ass kicking for 2 years”.
Because there are more opinions and languages in the world than you are accustomed to seeing.
Educate yourself to respect the opinions of others.
No. I suggested an idea where everyone could play the allied faction they like without mentioning you. Yet you arived, the supreme judge of all ideas apparently, with your all-important “NO”.
Literally, stop being toxic educate yourself and at least take a look at English (!) wikipedia:
The Soviet entry into the war and the defeat of the Kwantung Army was a significant factor in the Japanese government’s decision to surrender unconditionally, as it became apparent that the Soviet Union had no intention of acting as a third party in negotiating an end to hostilities on conditional terms.
Go away now and learn manners.
How is this misleading though?
It was most likely the combination of all: American bombings throughout the summer of 1945, Soviet entry to the front with no further chance for Stalin to act as a mediator, swift loss of Manchuria, Sakhalin and Kuril islands and the Kwantung army, as well as the threat of simultaneous naval invasion from two sides by US and USSR, and then the nukes - this was all too much to handle for Japan now, probably.
And I think the Foreign Policy article makes good points that the narrative of the nuclear bombing being the sole decicive factor is at best not painting the bigger picture.
Its about your USSR-simping and well… if the Russians are not too ignorant to leave their safe-space and writing in English and share their opinion with us… they should just do it and proof me that I am wrong… but
“Winning”… also some sort of winning I guess where you lose 250k soldiers and 2k tanks in a war against a nation with like a 6-times smaller army and even less tanks.
And you think the Soviets would have been able to counteratack and feeding their people without Western aid?
Hey, you proposed that we should (mainly) focus on the Russians. The Non-Russian community is… let’s say kinda (a lot) bigger though and well… I don’t see that many people demanding Manchuria (in fact like two or three, let alone having another USSR vs. Germany campaign (or any other campaign with one of those nations)) compared to people who wanna have Pacific or Commonwealth campaigns. Market wins unless the Russian community is the vast majority of the Enlisted players, which I doubt.
So much for reading.
It’s just about the illogical whataboutism you started, which doesn’t make the campaign better or worse in terms of amount of battles, balance or… more interesting for anyone except USSR simps. Not about the idea of Manchuria itself.
And that is important for the balance, the low interest outside the Russian community or the amount of battle maps again, because?
Go away and learn the basic rules of the market… and play any other existing campaign which isnt about the glorious motherland.
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Repeat after me: " ̶I̶ ̶a̶m̶ ̶r̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ " I mean “English speaking platforms don’t represent the entire playerbase, be it Russian, Chinese, Indian or Latino”
They did defeat Finland. Another PhD of yours, cool story bro. reee win don’t count if not annex all country
What is wrong with yall Finlandboos thinking a side needs to lose less men in order to win the war…
It was a shitty victory but it was a victory, no one in their right mind doubts that.
That’s how wars are won.
And got their asses kicked again then and again gave land and paid reparations. 2/2.
That’s what they did lmao, first significant western aid didn’t arrive until after the battle for Moscow.
Wrong. I proposed that the potential Pacific campaign have Japan fight US, UK and USSR.
Go away now and read the Moscow Peace Treaty (1940), the Paris Peace Treaty (1947) and learn how to not be racist.
Repeat after me. More people speak English than people speaking Russian. There are more countries/ people outside of England (and Canada, Australia and NZ) and US who speaks English than countries outside of the former Union who speak Russian just by looking at the threads dealing with Pacific compared to the amount of Manchuria-threads.
So the chances that English speaking platforms are more diverse than a platform which has a minor important/ big language (regardless if Russian or German or Dutch) is… lets say higher in the first one. And well. They are all more or less united in having basically anything as new campaign than Manchuria or actually another German-Soviet campaign, regardless where they live, partly even in motherland Russia.
It should be obvious at this point that English/ a international subs are more representative than a language which is not international at all. Around 240m people can speak Russian while at least 1,35b people are able to speak English. But please. Explain us how a Russian speaking community/ sub is more diverse than a English speaking community/ sub.
Btw. Still don’t get why so many people think that Russian-speaking people are probably citizens of Rusia or a former Warsaw Pact nation and not a Latin America.
Well. Because we are not commie-simps believing that you can only win wars by just meat grinding untrained and low-supplied soldiers in masses all the time (and call it heroic), especially against a nation which has a way smaller and underdeveloped army. Even the Soviet High Command admitted that this victory was so bad and pathetic that they basically reverted Stalins “great” improvements in the Red Army.
And the 2k tanks lost in the land of perkele could have been used to stop the Germans better.
And that only after they sieged Leningrad for 900 days which was one of the reasons for the war. Impressive… and ironic. Thats… uhh ass-kicking I guess. I guess we also dont wanna talk about the loss-ratio between them in the cont. war again I guess… oh wait.
The land of perkele. But no no. Winning is everything. Human lifes are… a different level. You can only win wars efficiently by losing way more people and equipment against a way smaller nation. Well. One way to get a good amount of reperations lol
Cool. So they lost significant amount of farmlands and animals in Ukraine and Belarus to the Reich (and considering the fact that the collectivism measures of Stalin leaded to mass famines and mismanagement anyway), farmers had to go to the front instead of farming and the Soviets were somehow able to counter that?
“A particular critical aspect of Lend-Lease was the supply of food. The invasion had cost the USSR a huge amount of its agricultural base; during the initial Axis offensive of 1941-42, the total sown area of the USSR fell by 41.9% and the number of collective and state farms by 40%. The Soviets lost a substantial number of draft and farm animals as they were not able to relocate all the animals in an area before it was captured and of those areas in which the Axis forces would occupy, the Soviets had lost 7 million of out of 11.6 million horses, 17 million out of 31 million cows, 20 million of 23.6 million pigs and 27 million out of 43 million sheep and goats. Tens of thousands of agricultural machines, such as tractors and threshers, were destroyed or captured. Agriculture also suffered a loss of labour; between 1941 and 1945, 19.5 million working-age men had to leave their farms to work in the military and industry. Agricultural issues were also compounded when the Soviets were on the offensive, as areas liberated from the Axis had been devastated and contained millions of people who needed to be fed. Lend-Lease thus provided a massive number of foodstuffs and agricultural products”
Yeah… no.
I was talking about Moscow.
" According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:
On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR’s emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany’s might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.[35]
Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin’s views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were “discussing freely” among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany’s pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don’t think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so.[45]
Joseph Stalin, during the Tehran Conference during 1943, acknowledged publicly the importance of American efforts during a dinner at the conference: “Without American machines the United Nations could never have won the war.”[46][47]
In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:
Today [1963] some say the Allies didn’t really help us … But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.[48]
David Glantz, the American military historian known for his books on the Eastern front, concludes:
Although Soviet accounts have routinely belittled the significance of Lend-Lease in the sustainment of the Soviet war effort, the overall importance of the assistance cannot be understated. Lend-Lease aid did not arrive in sufficient quantities to make the difference between defeat and victory in 1941–1942; that achievement must be attributed solely to the Soviet people and to the iron nerve of Stalin, Zhukov, Shaposhnikov, Vasilevsky, and their subordinates. As the war continued, however, the United States and Great Britain provided many of the implements of war and strategic raw materials necessary for Soviet victory. Without Lend-Lease food, clothing, and raw materials (especially metals), the Soviet economy would have been even more heavily burdened by the war effort. Perhaps most directly, without Lend-Lease trucks, rail engines, and railroad cars, every Soviet offensive would have stalled at an earlier stage, outrunning its logistical tail in a matter of days. In turn, this would have allowed the German commanders to escape at least some encirclements, while forcing the Red Army to prepare and conduct many more deliberate penetration attacks in order to advance the same distance. Left to their own devices, Stalin and his commanders might have taken twelve to eighteen months longer to finish off the Wehrmacht; the ultimate result would probably have been the same, except that Soviet soldiers could have waded at France’s Atlantic beaches.[49]"
Meh. I’m like still waiting how to balance either the Soviets not seal clubbing Japan or balancing the Japanese Army to make them somewhat competitive without adding fantasy and illogical stuff; and how many maps Df needs to invent to keep the content machinery afloat.
learn that 244m is less than 1,35b in the meantime.
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Actually the commies should be grateful that the Finns killed so many of them as the Winter-War made them realize that the structure of the army and tank designs etc. were crap af.
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Lol check UN official languages.
You just pulled this statement out of your ass. Who says that?
Strawman argument. I did not claim that and you can’t argue something I didn’t claim.
There are 2 sides to a war: winning and losing. Regardless of how much Finlandboos like their perkele and Hayha memes, the USSR won and proud Finnish representatives signed the treaty.
Can you not comprehend that there are facts and there are emotions? Personally I see Winter War as a complete waste of lives, an unjust aggression but I can also see what the results of not waging it could have been. Regardless of how, the USSR won it.
You win wars my forcing the other side to sign a treaty based on your conditions, not by losing less men/materiel.
Did you seriously not go to school?
Strawman argument 2.0. I didn’t claim lend-lease was not important. I said the Germans were stopped and ccounter-attacked before western aid arrived.
PS
Editing someone else’s quotes is bad manners because you’re quoting things someone didn’t say.
PPS
Still racist and xenophobic af.
Go away now.
Lol Check subforum languages here. Looks like we don’t have Spanish either. But wow… you got me once in “international”… even if it is even less international than Spanish and requires users to change their letter type.
And again, why should we care more about a language sub in the forum which is mostly used by Russian and CIS people than English which has like way higher number of users (from different backgrounds), both in the world and in the fourm? Where are the Russian-speaking Latin-Americans?
Probably getting even more slashed by the Germans as the Winter War was the main reason why the Soviets changed their army policy.
So did I mainly. But do you think the Soviets would have been able to keep puhsing the Germans back from Moscow etc after the BoM without a actual improved logistic, which again was mainly countributed by western aids, which would otherwise made the sacrifices in Moscow etc. pointless?
But did I said this?
No, I guess.
(Oh no. I called soldiers and politicians of communist country commies. How dare I?)
Smart people don’t answer to people who they don’t like. And ehh no. Because I still wanna know this (where your sole answer by now were captured Garands, an awful medium tank which can’t compete against the 85 and the IS and KV models and a tank which wasn’t there):
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You’re missing the point. It’s not about Russian. Or Spanish. Or this Forum at all.
It’s about what people say in their communities in Weibo/VK/whatever other platform they use, which you simply disregard as “other letter type”.
There may or may not be way more active users there than on this Forum or on the subreddit.
I didn’t edit your quote, can you not see that?
Smart people don’t act racist and xenophobic or use ‘edgy’ gifs in every reply.
I would love to talk about actual possibilities of having a Grand Pacific campaign where on the one side there would be Japan and on the other would be US, UK and USSR on specific maps with specific gear to keep it balanced.
But I do not wish to discuss it with toxic people who cearly have a very strong anti-russian xenophobic sentiment.
Not casting pearls before swine.
Go away now.
Well. You said that the Russians all/ a notable majority favors Manchuria like this
And since we only have ONE language sub, which is Russian… huh I guess.
And well, they kinda are “other letter type” as they don’t use latin letters. Or is it racist now to point out differences in languages or what? Why do we need a sub forum for the Russians anyway? I am the last one who is against getting more people here, even if they are commie-simps (regardless if Russians or not), Wehraboos (regardless if Germans or failed Austrian artists or anyone else) or worse… the Yankee with hat. But it’s up to the Russians to come here and not us.
If they prefer to stay in the Russian sub, it’s their choice but don’t complain then that everyone else in the English/ International/ main forum, who don’t want to waste their time even more by looking and google-translating the Russian sub forum all day to see what the Russian people think, don’t really care what the Russians ehh mean Russian-speaking users want or not. And I dont really care what kind of platform outside the forum (including reddit) some minor groups use to talk about the game. Thats the point of the forum. Come to the forum and share your thoughts etc. but dont leave it and use a non-official platform and expect the others to either join or taking note of you.
(But rather wasting time to talk about history and why the Russian languages matters idk and why it is bad to call communist-simping people commies and whatever with a bad bad person is like more productive or what… logic I guess).
I don’t have anything against Russians as long as they are ready to switch to English if we wanna talk in a international forum. The same goes for the other nations and languages, including my own.
Ironically enough, I named the Germans Jerries, a stereotypical name for German soldiers/ British insult for Germans… yet you didn’t name that. Kinda hypocritical.
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I never said that. Quote me.
The devs are Russian (speaking), are you new here?
I’m literally explaining to you there are official pages on other platforms where the language of communication is not English (and possible more members) yet you are disregarding their opinions with elitist criteria.
Point proven.
If you look closely you’ll also notice I didn’t attack anyone else’s opinion, call anyone by xenophobic slurs or cheered at the death of a large number of people.
Go away now.