I’ve been booted and my name is both _ and numbers
The system doesn’t exist or at the very least doesn’t function as you said it does. @8383908 is right.
Just saying: Thank you to Darkflow for this great game! It‘s everything I wanted since years. Haven‘t had so much fun with a game since Red Orchestra or Day of Defeat.
Keep on your excellent work!
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_ may count as after letters. But for letters, I can consistently verify the person that got the spawn instead of me had a higher alphabetical priority.
So about the first 10% of most conquest matches? Just denying 10% of gameplay time is bad. Again, they could have just moved the spawns back, so that planes could spawn straight away yet at the same time not get those 25 kills, or by spreading out the infantry spawns so the infantry isn’t clustered enough for the planes to mass kill, would also work. But nope, they went for the shortcut that only fixes the symptom of mass spawn kills at the start of the match, instead of addressing the core issues. A plane user can still drop on your spawn after 60s and get 5-15 kills per drop.
A lot of people asking for something doesn’t make it smart, correct, or fun. It just means a lot of people complained about it.
This isn’t a “fix”, it’s not fun, I’m mainly a pilot, this is a half-assed fix that ruins my immersion and is very annoying. And btw, I’ve been on both ends of the chain, both doing the bombing and getting deleted at spawn by an enemy bomber.
So, I can either stare at my screen for 60 seconds and do nothing, and pray someone useless won’t take the plane, or spawn as infantry, and likely never get a plane, because people stare at their screen and keep spawning in them. That’s helpful how exactly?
Not to mention some conquest matches end in minutes. 60 seconds can be 10% or 20% of a match, that’s huge. There’s several proper fixes they could’ve handled it, instead, they chose the lazy band-aid fix like the always do since CBT.
THIS would be a better fix than what we have now.
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I remember hitting a 27 man feed at the start of one game less than an hour before the patch hit. This change was absolutely necessary and I approve it. Only shame is it’s making my attack pilots a bit harder to level up now xD
Now if only something is done about the constant far ranged automatic and semi-automatic spam (without the person even mounting). Getting insta bursted by SMGs assaulters from 50+ meters away is quite unbalanced and just not fun if you aren’t also packing your team with the same exact classes. And most all of the top scorers in lobbies won’t stop riding autos and semi autos because of it.
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Making planes effectively unplayable for 90% of players is not a fix even if planes are not supposed to be the primary focus. Some people enjoy it and there is no objective reason to make those people wait 60 seconds in spawn if they want to play with a plane if there are better alternatives as to what you can do to fix the issue of spawns getting bombed without locking plane users out of playing entirely.
You being childish and suggesting to just not play the thing someone wants to play is also not a good answer to the NEW issue of plane players not being able to spawn in at all.
A change - yes.
THIS change - no.
Again:
Either move plane spawns back so you can at least spawn in, even if you have to spend 30+ seconds to get to the battlefield, you at least are flying and have secured your spawn. Furthermore, it punishes suicide bombing after the first spawn too, while rewarding the actual plane pilots who do not want to suicide by allowing them to get better approaches to the increased distance alongside the normal rearm times.
Alternatively, make it so infantry does not spawn all clumped up so there is no way for a plane to kill a large group to begin with!
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There’s several other, and better solutions to this, that are both friendly in terms of retaining player immersion, and effective at stopping racking up ridiculous killstreak right off the bat, while at the same time not ruining entire matches(thinking of Conquest types here) for a vehicle class considering a minute is incredibly valuable.
I agree that some change WAS necessary because yes, it WAS insane, but not this change. This change is daft. There is no reason to force people to wait a minute to play what they want to play.
Would you be happy if tanks received a minute cooldown before they can spawn at the start of a match?
What about if we ban all infantry types for a minute except the generic Riflemen squad you start with for a minute? That wouldn’t be enjoyable to players would it? It’s the same scenario here.
I go back to what I said above:
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Ok so let’s have the majority of the playerbase ask for a tiger 2 in normandy, alongside the removal of the jumbo. It would be the stupidest change but “majority rules” right? Even if it ruins the fun for 49%?
Last time I checked you cannot decide what I, or anyone that is not you, enjoys playing.
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Im not going to argue the basics of democracy with you ma dude. No one is asking for tigers, there is a reason for that.
People have asked for tigers actually. Several times. So we should add them because majority rules as you said. The majority can’t possibly be wrong.
Making the plane spawn 30 seconds away from the battlefield might not be good enough. Because the tier 2 planes are far too strong and can travel at twice the top speed that would mean 30 seconds is only 15 seconds for high level players. Inversely, it would mean 60 seconds of travel time for newer players if you doubled the distance to account for faster planes.
Players can still remain clustered and not yet engaged in the first 30-60 seconds of the battle in the case of invasion. They can still be capping early points in the case of conquest. People load in late as well. I agree it would be nice if the player could lock the spawn in or do something related to flying while they wait. But anything short of stopping bombers planes from playing for a minute will result in massive 25+ no skill kill feeds.
A lot of people actually are, just like with KV-1s for Moscow. Thank god most people do not like those ideas, but at the same time, most people do not have the brain capacity to capture the first point on D-Day, let alone to think through all of the potential fixes for an issue. They are mostly like “How do we want it fixed?” “WE DONT CARE!” “When do we want it fixed?” “WE WANT IT FIXED NOW!”
Once again, yes, a fix was needed, but this fix is absolutely garbage. We too want the infantry to be able to spawn safely. However, we do not want that be at the cost of being able to properly play planes.
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I didnt see the majority of this forum ask for tigers so your point is moot. Also I dont say the majority can’t be wrong. The majority is listened to, those are two completely different things.
Developers have their own brains. They are capable of thinking of proper solutions for a problem raised by the community. So we can still critique a change if we think it does not adequately fixes the issue, or creates another issue instead.
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Have a nice day guys, im out of this argument.
Im going to play the game that they fixed in a way that makes me really happy with the game I love.
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I haven’t played yet today, but the A20 spam happens through the entire match, so I don’t see this helping with that at all.
Yup. It only prevents the initial spam - which could prevented in better ways that would also solve other spawn camping issues - and punishes players who just enjoy flying planes.
But people only seem to think up until the first - in that sentence, so here we are, with another shit “fix”
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It’s just sad. I miss the time when you can kill 30+ at the opening of a battle with Ju188.
It’s only fair that went away.
I personally only miss being able to fly my plane to begin with at the start of the match.