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@JoJoMaster420

The 1st Derbyshire Yeomanry used it in Tunisia.

BIG UP THE ENDS COME ON DERBY YOU RAMS

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@CaptainSebekel

Meh- By 1941 the Mk. IIs had been replaced or destroyed.

Yeah, but then what do you put in there to be balanced with the Italian tanks? (Even if you put in the Damimler, yyou’d still have an empty slot) I’d say it’s not a huge deal.

@CaptainSebekel

Its still kinda weak. Such reasons are imho the main reason for many issues in this game aka Jumbo (which leaded to Panther), T-50, Sniper MKb in Moscow and its counterpart PPSh.

Jumbo didn’t “lead” to Panther. Panther, just like all the big cats was gonna be added anyway. But unlike amarguerra, which was needed to fill a slot and was kinda historical, Jumbo makes no sense, and T50 doesn’t either, as I believe they were all recorded being elsewhere at the time. Sniper Mkb was needed for balance and PPSh is simply needed for historical reasons.

@CaptainSebekel

Like the ZB. It makes “sense” in Moscow, but by 1943 it saw no usage by front-line troops and more by SS etc. Would maybe make “sense” with the Luftwaffe bike I guess but still the MP38 would be more logical… aside having another MP40.

Yeah, but i wouldn’t call it completely ahistorical. I’d honestly say MP40 should’ve been the starter, as it’s position makes no sense now, seeing as it’s worse than it’s predeccessor.
MP38 should stay in Moscow imo.

@CaptainSebekel

Mostly paramarines. Paramarines saw exclusive engagements in Asia. And even the few normales Marines used it in Asia too and not Europe. And similiar to the Vickers, it should come with a marine unit in case it was used there (which is not the case. Italy would make more “sense” due to the Devils Brigade).

You sure? I’m pretty scertain they used them everywhere. But I’d be interested in reading up on it If you have a reliable source. (i wouldn’t trust wikipedia on fine details like this)

@CaptainSebekel

Was already developed after Dunkirk.

Yeah, but it simply shows they were there. Which would mean some could’ve stayed there. Especially seeing as irl it was a pretty high quality gun.

@CaptainSebekel

Still Bren II is more logical here. And I dont wanna grind level 36 for a Bren Mk. II I guess.

Yet I don’t want to have two of the same Bren models unless absolutely necessary, which it isn’t.
And you’re not gonna, as it’d be a downgrade from the BAR.

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@JoJoMaster420

I’d say it’s not a huge deal.

Partly. There are some complaints about the A13 having a bugged armor/ hitbox similiar to the AB (and imho is the worst tank to kill with AT rifles). We could have use the M3 Stuart as this one was in Africa and Tunisia and would be a fine counter to the M13 while AB vs Daimler.

@JoJoMaster420

Jumbo didn’t “lead” to Panther.

Depends. US got power creep no one wants aside woody, Germans got a powercreep no one wants. Just coincidence that Df added two tanks lately which are more or less the sole “balanced” ones that can pen the Jumbo through front.

@JoJoMaster420

Jumbo makes no sense, and T50 doesn’t either, as I believe they were all recorded being elsewhere at the time.

Cant agree more.

@JoJoMaster420

niper Mkb was needed for balance and PPSh is simply needed for historical reasons.

I do think we dont need PPSH in Moscow yet I believe (so no fact) that they only add it cause filler stuff. If they wanted to be historical/ balanced they could also just give us the box PPSh and thats it I guess. Still confused why the box never made it out from Berlin.

@JoJoMaster420

Yeah, but i wouldn’t call it completely ahistorical. I’d honestly say MP40 should’ve been the starter, as it’s position makes no sense now, seeing as it’s worse than it’s predeccessor.

Also a solution.

@JoJoMaster420

You sure? I’m pretty scertain they used them everywhere. But I’d be interested in reading up on it If you have a reliable source. (i wouldn’t trust wikipedia on fine details like this)

Well. I “discussed” this with the Yankee with hat a few times already. The best he came up with so far was a picture from 1943 claiming that this was Normandy 1944 yet this was the Asian front. If there are any sources which says it was a mass used gun and saw usage on the existing campaigns I am ready to change my mindset but until then wiki is right I guess.

@JoJoMaster420

Especially seeing as irl it was a pretty high quality gun.

Well. It is not the right gun and since Tunisia was a “diverse” campaign we could also just made Free French units with the MAS and call it a day. Yepp, would be similiar level of history but at least not copy+paste and its French.

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@CaptainSebekel

I do think we dont need PPSH in Moscow yet I believe (so no fact) that they only add it cause filler stuff. If they wanted to be historical/ balanced they could also just give us the box PPSh and thats it I guess. Still confused why the box never made it out from Berlin.

I’d say we do need the PPSh there, sincel ike half of the smgs in soviets service by then wer PPSh-41s.
And box version didn’t exist till after Moscow, as the box mag was designed after a PPS42 mag. So likely went into service after the PPS.

@CaptainSebekel

Well. I “discussed” this with the Yankee with hat a few times already. The best he came up with so far was a picture from 1943 claiming that this was Normandy 1944 yet this was the Asian front. If there are any sources which says it was a mass used gun and saw usage on the existing campaigns I am ready to change my mindset but until then wiki is right I guess.

Well, both Wikipedia and forgotten weapons say they were used by the navy in decently large numbers. I’ve yet to see a source they were exclusively used in Asia.
Btw, here’s the video, it’s quite good if you wanna learn more about the gun:

Lanchester MkI: Britain's First Emergency SMG

@CaptainSebekel

Well. It is not the right gun and since Tunisia was a “diverse” campaign we could also just made Free French units with the MAS and call it a day. Yepp, would be similiar level of history but at least not copy+paste and its French.

Yet I didn’t say I agreed with it being there, I just said it wasn’t total bullshit.